Riots and street battles have erupted across the globe this year. Economic distress is the defining characteristic of all the eruptions, though racial tensions and overt political oppression are also evident. I wonder – are the kinds of riots we are seeing in the U.K. this week coming to America?
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No. We’re too strung-out on SOMA. If the Tea Party had really wanted to act in keeping with their 18th-Century Boston namesakes, they’d have been burning down Wal*Marts, instead of giving millionaires hand-jobs.
Ha– Dead on, Tamerlane! In my opinion, the sincere early Tea Partiers were trying to do the right thing, but they have been misdirected, confused, and consumed by the conservative establishment. Just as liberals were herded into the Obama “progressive” rodeo.
I voted “no” on the poll because I don’t think Americans will riot in 2011. We’re way too dumbed down and complacent. It will most likely happen next year after we can no longer ignore the obvious fact that we are collectively f*cked, and even then I fear that most people won’t understand to whom their anger should be directed.
It won’t be you and I who’ll riot. And it won’t be the Tea Party.
It’ll be those who have less to lose and feel more betrayed and left behind and without hope.
Absolutely, Zal. I concur wholeheartedly — those who will “riot” are those who feel that they have nothing to lose.
KC- had the same thoughts- not this year- but probably in time for the 2012.
Zal- also agree that it won’t be us rioting. Though I will admit to taking a few billy clubs over the back in my youth. No riots for me- but we will be hunkering down here. Hopefully we are far enough out away from the city.
“If the Tea Party had really wanted to act in keeping with their 18th-Century Boston namesakes, they’d have been burning down Wal*Marts, instead of giving millionaires hand-jobs.”
ROTFL! You’re in rare form tonight. Loved your fight song from the prior thread. although you know I DO have the food, the water, the ammo, but not the gold,
It’s about Micky Ward, the subject of THE FIGHTER (but I played it a lot in 2008 for Hillary….)
Probably.
Isn’t it already happening, with the “wilding” going on in various places?
Good point.
Yes! I’m in Milwaukee, WI and we just experienced another type of “wilding” on the first night of the State Fair. A couple had to be hospitalized along with 7 policemen getting emergency care after the fair closed. The response as in other cities like Philly is to impose a more stringent curfew. Although political leaders seem to forget that rioting, wilding, etc. can occur before curfew time.
I agree with coyote — it’s already happening. Wisconsin. Philly. Chicago. A tinge of it exists in the Mississippi atrocity.
“Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men(9.0 percent),
adult women (7.9 percent), teenagers (25.0 percent), whites (8.1 percent),
blacks (15.9 percent), and Hispanics (11.3 percent) showed little or no change
in July. The jobless rate for Asians was 7.7 percent, not seasonally adjusted. ”
The problem with these percentages is that they don’t accurately reflect real unemployment and/or underemployment. The dirty-little-secret is that unemployment is much higher. If the programs that assist the most in need are de-funded, there will be trouble.
I’ve worked with kids much like those in the new ‘flash mobs’. Many are physically strong, undereducated, and seemingly not too bright..The only surprise here, is that more of them have not done the same thing..It’s hard to see a future for many of them, now that good paying factory jobs have gone overseas. Most of us would be no better, in their shoes. “There but for the grace of God…..etc”
I think what we are witnessing – in the US and UK – is the result of dumbed-down education. This young generation is, like Sophie says, uneducated. Look at social media where younger people are; the illiteracy is astounding. This cuts across economic lines. Many of those involved in the UK riots are what would be ‘middle class’ youths, not just the extreme poor/working class alone. Young people have not been taught critical thinking, nor have they been given the basic tools of reading, writing, and maths that will secure the future. This is the result. Selfish, feral mobs who do not give a damn for anyone or anything.
In an interview that I heard this morning, a youth in Britain (don’t know specifically which place) said he’s going to continue the rioting and looting “…until I’m arrested”. At this time the jails are filled and citiaens want to call in the military as even the police are feeling shocked and threatened by the violence. The young man in the interview was cocky and full of unsolicited enthusiasm for the rioting and laughingly spoke of this mob action as if it were sport or a joke. It almost sounded pointless and without a goal other than to riot and loot for the sake of having something to do.
It was very disturbing to hear.
“citiaens” means . . . .citizens
I hate typing……
I reckon some “feral” rioters don’t hail from the downtrodden, if Blackberries are their preferred medium for the flash mob message. Many have not been given the education they need, but some I reckon have rejected this necessary education, however dumbed-down in our Lake Wobegon era of inclusive, circle-jerked, self-affirmation.
FYI
A WSJ op-ed by Jeb Bush and Kevin Warsh is making the rounds this morning among Wall Streeters. Or so I’m told. And they’re passing it among one another with a lot of thumbs up.
A WSJ opinion piece from the brother of the guy whose policies drove us to the brink of total financial destruction in December 2008? What makes this Neo-Con worth listening to?.
“And they’re passing it among one another with a lot of thumbs up.”
Who is the “they’re” you hang around with? What liberal/Dem/Progressive would give this article a thumbs-up? The article intentionally lacks details, but it isn’t to tough to read between the lines.
From the article: “It replaces the false promise made to the next generation of entitlement-program recipients with a solvent, dependable model that encourages work and savings. Reforming Social Security before costs multiply and uncertainties spread is both fairer and more growth-oriented.”
“false promises”? “encourages work & savings”? That’s a veiled insult to all of us who worked, saved and paid into SS for a lifetime. It’s an insult to those of us who KNOW that SS is solvent, self-funding and that it doesn’t affect the deficit. That’s an insult to our ability to see the truth in their intent. The secret innuendo in that sentence is “privatize, privatize, privatize” !! Wall Street will not get their GREEDY hands on our SS money, We were alreacy conned with swap of company penions for 401K’s, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. We have heard this all before? We heard this from your hero, George W. Bush. His sick, greedy capitalist friend Dick Cheney. His pathetic daddy, GHWB His bumbling trickle down hero Ron Reagan. His steering committee protege, Paul Ryan. No one here wants what they’re selling.
From the Article: ” And enacting consumer-driven health-care policies represents the best way to control costs and improve patient care”
Note the word “patient” isn’t used in that sentence, but the word “consumer” is used and it is an obtuse way of saying “you can buy whatever you can afford”. We know what that means. We currently have about 50 MILLION uninsured people in the U.S.A. The U.S. ranks 37th in the world in heathcare, right behind great countries like Chile, Denmark, Dominica and Costa Rica. Yeah, no doubt the USA needs to have WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT as it’s goal.
This article is a total thumbs down. No buyers here.
As others have commented recently. We sure need a way to correct comments after submission.
Correction:
“Note the word “patient” isn’t used in that sentence”
That is incorrect The word patient is used, but note the context of how the word “consumer” and the word “patient” are used in the sentence. The word consumer is used in an obtuse way of saying “you can buy whatever you can afford” the word patient is used as an afterthought in describing the beneficary of an “improve/d” outcome.
great comment
And enacting consumer-driven health-care policies represents the best way to control costs and improve patient care”
what a crock of shit….exactly who is cost comparing when they get sick? Who says ” Dr. X will remove my brain tumor for 20% less , will you match it? ” Now the health care Industry is the Walmart check out…and if you didn’t price check on the way to the OR,
then it’s your fault you were overcharged.
I’m in touch with lots of different kinds of people; your narrow little world is the reason for your narrow little thoughts and narrow understanding, Mouse.
I didn’t say any did. But if Obama put this out, plenty who call themselves liberal/Dem/Progressives would. They cheered RomneyCare when Obama slapped his own label on it.
You remain stuck in the mindset that Americans actually have conservative or progressive convictions. Many, if not most, do not. Otherwise Obama would not be defended by progressives and Democrats.
What makes that neocon worth listening to? What will make anybody worth listening to in 2011 and 2012? A plan. I see a lot of people who are scared, and what do frightened people want? A plan. Someone with a plan to get out of the scary place.
I don’t support any neocon, or anybody named Bush for that matter, for public office. But one thing I do support is being informed. And whether or not you like it or understand it, half of this country is Republican or willing to vote for Republican candidates. While you’re screeching about tea parties, neocons and Hooverites may be figuring out that two things people want in times of fear and uncertainty are familiarity and a plan they can understand.
“I’m in touch with lots of different kinds of people; your narrow little world is the reason for your narrow little thoughts and narrow understanding, Mouse.”
I’m sure you are in “touch” with all kinds of people. What a superiority complex you have. You’re nothing more than a silly little fellow who looks DOWN at the world from one of his two abodes and doesn’t even have the good sense to understand how to hide his own disdain concerning the plight of those not in his socio-economic group.
“You remain stuck in the mindset that Americans actually have conservative or progressive convictions”
Well if people don’t have either conservative or progressive convictions, then they have no convicions whatsoever. Many people may have a mix, but all people have one, the other or none at all.
“What will make anybody worth listening to in 2011 and 2012? A plan.”
You call that a plan? The article you offer is fiscal neo-con propaganda and an empty vessel. It offered absolutely NO PLAN. NOTHING of value, not a single detail of how to resolve our problems, only the veiled inference that ending and/or privatizing social programs will do the trick.
You take yourself WAY to seriously. You’re no better than the rest of us, you just think you are.
I’d hate to see what I see as a good discourse between people who have similar, but possibly divergent beliefs and opinions, turn into something acrimonious.
Anon, I believe in what you are saying and what you’ve said in previous replies. When I said that personal/religious beliefs have no place in our political discourse it was perhaps a bit overly optimistic, because the Republicans in particular have been able to gather a significant portion of votes and funding from the religious right for the past 25 years or so.. and as a result of that we see more and more attempts to legislate morality paying lip service that voting block, like no gay marriage, etc.
I think to Zaldonis’ point, the Republicans (particularly the conservative wing) saw an opportunity with early Tea Partiers to manipulate a group of disgruntled voters and use them to get a very vocal “boots on the ground” propaganda machine.
But again, you’ve both said that both parties are culpable in the overall deterioration of our system… Anon, your POV seems to be that no matter what you cannot/will not have any party in helping out a Republican/TP agenda because they are in direct opposition to your personal beliefs.. I totally get that, and I respect that.
As long as the two parties can pay lip service on either side of the culture war, they can grab the 5-10% of people that don’t just vote lockstep Red/Blue… and they both pay lip service to it… then the whole popular vote is just a huge distraction and smoke screen to allow the populace to think they have some role/voice in the political system… but it’s an illusion.
So my thought is that somehow we’ve got to take the culture war out of the political equation…and simply voting based on whatever party is telling us what we want to hear or what we resonate with, what our hopes/fears/beliefs are.. that isn’t working… and the culture war issues are so charged that it’s really easy for politicians to pit us against eachother.
Dan….It’s nice of you to attempt to arbitrate, but there’s no chance. To much water, don’t you know?
A couple of weeks ago Zal took on a long time poster here (who hasn’t been back since, BTW) who confided that she relied on the social programs because she was disabled due to a brain tumor. She expressed fear at the possiblity of the disassembling of those programs that aid her and people like her. He fundamentally told her to quit being a “victim” to pull herself up by her bootstraps. I’ve spent an entire lifetime defending those who have the least social and economic impact, so I defended her. I will not forget his backhanded put down of her. It told me he is exactly what I thought he was.
After the passage of marriage in NY he stated here, that even though he’s gay, he was disgusted (I believe that was his word) by the celebrations by other gay people in NY over the passage of gay marriage, He tried to soften it with the statement that nothing but the complete repeal of DOMA is good enough. I’m a gay woman who has been with the same partner for nearly 3 decades. I walked in the 1st Pride parade in my Southern rabildy anti-gay city, EVERYTHING that brings freedom and a modicum of equality to 1 gay person, lifts us all. His comment not only offended me, it branded him.
During the budget debate he went on a rant suggesting the the Dept of Education was expendable, because as he stated, (paraphrasing) Dept of Education doesn’t give us anything. WTF does he know? Even as he criticized how parents of the 70′s raised their children (yeah, let’s throw all those folks into one big bin and shit-kick them), he stated proudly, right here, that he has no children of his own.
A childless man, criticizes parenting and wants to get rid of the Dept of Education. He criticizes the gay citizens of NY for celebrating the right to marry, and backhands a very sick woman who relies on Social assistance for survival by suggesting that she not behave like a “victim. No liberal/progressive/Dem I’ve ever known is capable of holding all 3 of those views. He’s a Fiscal and somewhat social Neo-Conservative who has no interest in anything that does not feather his own comfortable nest.
The only thing Zal and I have in common is that we’re both gay (and who know that’s even the truth? It could be a ruse used to insert unfair criticism of the L/G community and avoid being called a phobe) and neither of us like Obama. But unlike Val I can imagine much worse in the form of a Relgious Neo-Con TP whack job alon. In fact, I still hold that BHO’s predecessor, GWB, was worse, although Val doesn’t see it that way.
But thanks anyway Dan, I believe you’re sincere and a straight shooter
You misrepresent, here, what I’ve posted. Anyone who’s read what I’ve written and taken it on its own terms will see that.
However, you provide another window into the way your thinking twists what people say, at least those you view as adversary.
I know why you’re antagonistic towards me because I know when you first attacked me and what it was over. And it was nothing like the sort of Grand Issue difference you want others, and no doubt yourself, to believe. I can’t fix whatever happened that causes you to see red when encountering men like me any more than I can fix whatever happened that makes men like Chris Matthews strike out at women like Hillary and tingle over men like Obama; the best I can do is not let the filth define or victimize me.
So carry on, ANonOMouse, with whichever way you decide to take this; I’ll trust that what I write, not your misrepresentations, will define me.
Zal writes: “I know why you’re antagonistic towards me because I know when you first attacked me any more than I can fix whatever happened that makes men like Chris Matthews strike out at women like Hillary and tingle over men like Obama; the best I can do is not let the filth define or victimize me”
Chris Matthews, Hillary, Filth? Stop with the riddle and metaphor. You’re not quite as clever as you think you are. In a sneaky cowardly fashion (which is your style) are you accusing me of misandry? Yes, YOU ARE!!! What a specious, cowardly, pathetic whine. You know well that our dispute has nothing to do with gender, at least not on my part and everything to do with your sense of superiority. You brought out the bat first when you attacked my intellect and my class. You can dish it, but you can’t take it. So quit projecting your personality traits onto others. You’re a condescending snob to everyone here who disagrees with you, In fact another poster called you condescending in one of your responses to me. Now I can add COWARDLY to the list of things I KNOW ABOUT YOU!
No, madam, I am not. And your CAP SCREAM doesn’t turn your lie into truth any more than your deceitful manipulation of my paragraph.
You prove how disingenuous you are, purposefully misrepresenting what I say.
This, verbatim, is what I posted, and the part that’s boldfaced below is what you craftily deleted without ellipsis or any other indication you’d removed the substantive element I wrote that defines my meaning:
Now I know who you are; I got it.
Your lying and manipulation may fool some, may even fool most, plenty of others get away with that today, but it does not change the truth. I’ve watched you set up people to take sides between you and me, it’s crude but you’ve got the process down. And you may even be successful, maybe people here will believe your lies and define me as you want, as Bushies did against Gore and Obamabots did against Ferraro, for instance, but that only makes you another tiny cog in what’s destroying America. The truth is what expands our potential and sets people free, not following manipulative divisiveness.
“No, madam, I am not. And your CAP SCREAM doesn’t turn your lie into truth any more than your deceitful manipulation of my paragraph.”
Madam? Oh please, spare me. AND I’LL TELL YOU AGAIN, I’LL CAP WHENEVER I WANT. Now, See if you can follow, Dumbo, if you read the quote you have to know it was a copy. paste & edit error, that I couldn’t undo after I posted. It’s obvious because the first sentence makes no sense whatsoever. The FACT is, that error in no way changes the intent of what YOU wrote, in fact what I left out makes you look more Cowardly and sleazy.
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You wrote: “I can’t fix whatever happened that causes you to see red when encountering men like me any more than I can fix whatever happened that makes men like Chris Matthews strike out at women like Hillary and tingle over men like Obama; the best I can do is not let the filth define or victimize me.
WTF do you mean when you write “whatever happened” and “men like me”? This has nothing to do with, whatever it is you think happened to me, or your gender, but I’m beginning to wonder if it has something to do with mine. This has everything to do with you being an overbearing, condescending, know-it-all, boor. In that one quick paragraph you in essence called me “filth” and compared me to Chris Matthews hating on Hillary, which was calling me a misandrist. And now you’re mad because I understood what you wrote? NOW you want to act like you didn’t mean it that way because there was a sentence left out of my copy/paste/edit that IN NO WAY changes what you wrote? Oh, poor little you, taken out of context and victimized, again. STFU!!!
I meant exactly what I wrote exactly the way I wrote it, not the way you try to twist it.
And your explanation is ridiculous. A portion of a paragraph at the beginning or end gets unintentionally left off sometimes, but a section smack in the middle of a copy and paste that’s otherwise fully intact doesn’t get deleted unless you purposefully deleted it. You need a better lie.
You sure are a screamer aren’t you.
No, punkin, I won’t shut up.
“I meant exactly what I wrote exactly the way I wrote it, not the way you try to twist it.”
There wasn’t anything to twist, Dumbo! You accused me of misandry and called me “filth” and thought I wouldn’t notice. You think all people fall for your little intellectually superior act? I’ve told you before there’s only one super intellect that posts here and you are not him.
Now STFU you big cry baby. Don’t you have a cocktail party or something to go to?
“And your explanation is ridiculous”
My explanation is the TRUTH Dumbo, But YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Now, tell me what you mean by “I can’t fix whatever happened that causes you to see red when encountering men like me any more”. What do you mean by “whatever happened” and “men like me”. What do you think happened (to me)? And what sort of man do you think you are? You’re a hoot! And I can’t imagine that an IMPORTANT man like you doesn’t have something better to do than exchange barbs with me. Don’t you have a board meeting, a manicure or something VERY important to do?
I did neither.
And the proof of that is right in this thread. Everything I wrote is still here for anybody to judge.
Calling someone “filth” is the way your mind works, not mine.
You twist my words and try to overwrite the truth of who I am to define me to suit your deceit.
As a student of human nature, it’s from people like you I’ve learned that this kind of manipulation is more about fulfilling a need inside than a grand ambition; people like Obama do this to become President but many more do it for the smallest victories. What do you win if you convince others here that I’m the heartless “ratfucker” you want them to believe? It just fills that hole deep inside for a little while, and boy oh boy that almost makes up for whatever created the hole in the first place doesn’t it?
I advise you once before Zal, the more you write the deeper you dig the hole. There is plenty here for people to see how you posture yourself as a superior intellect when you’re actually nothing more than a condescending little person.
First you write: “As a student of human nature, it’s from people like you I’ve learned that this kind of manipulation is more about fulfilling a need inside than a grand ambition; people like Obama do this to become President but many more do it for the smallest victories.”
Grand Ambition? I’m a retired senior. My ambition is to keep the flowers alive during the semi-drought heat wave. Your are total BS and a student of nothing, but how to look down on those you feel superior to.
“What do you win if you convince others here that I’m the heartless “ratfucker” you want them to believe?”
I don’t care whether other folks believe you’re a rutfucker or not. I know you’re a ratfucker and as long as you know that I know, that’s what matters.
“It just fills that hole deep inside for a little while, and boy oh boy that almost makes up for whatever created the hole in the first place doesn’t it?”
Brghahahahahhahaha!!! Now you’re framing yourself as a psychologist, a counselor a psychiatrist? My “hole”. Physician you should be more concerned about healing thyself. Although I do think your “hole” is in your head and probably untreatable.
Zal writes: ” I can’t fix whatever happened that causes you to see red when encountering men like me any more than I can fix whatever happened that makes men like Chris Matthews strike out at women like Hillary and tingle over men like Obama; the best I can do is not let the filth define or victimize me.”
Anyone, with half-a-brain, can look at that paragraph and clearly see that you are drawing a parallel between your experience with me and the Chris Matthews, Hillary events of 2008.
Metaphors DO NOT hide the intent of that paragraph, which clearly was to compare me with Matthews, thus accusing me of misandry and to state that you not let the “filth” (which is clearly me) “victimize” you.
And Zal, If you think you’re going to sneak back into the thread, after it’s disappeared from “recent posts”, in an effort to extricate yourself from you ugly metaphors, parallels and fucked up psychological analysis of me, you’re wrong. Everytime you slap at me, I’ll slap back.
I never sneak.
But I’ll concede that you are, indeed, very committed to attack and if that’s the sum-total it comes down to you will prevail over me. I fight for causes but I haven’t a taste for blood for blood’s sake. My only commitment in this is not to be defined by your character assassination, and to have the truth of me and my opinions understood by whomever reads your venom. What you think of me, or having the last word, doesn’t concern me.
“My only commitment in this is not to be defined by your character assassination”
You’re doing an excellent job of assassinating your own character.
” and to have the truth of me and my opinions understood by whomever reads your venom”
For someone who thinks I’m ignorant and inferred as much on several occasions, that’s a strange statement. You can fall on your own sword Zal, you don’t need my help.
“What you think of me, or having the last word, doesn’t concern me.”
Obviously it does, because you keep coming back and you worry about how my opinion of you may affect others. If you weren’t concerned you would just SU.
The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club.
Oh, I know, but he’s so boorish. It’s just impossible to keep it all inside.
So, Zal, it’s only ‘the plan’ that counts. Not what’s in the plan?
Then I guess you cheered the Ryan plan and joined the drumbeaters in saying how ‘brave and courageous’ Ryan was. Even though the plan is wrong-headed. We can’t get out of this mess by merely cutting every social program out there. We cannot have growth, anything that has real meaning, when 15 million people are out of work with another 10 million underemployed and God only knows how many not counted at all. We cannot move forward when our infrastructure is falling down around our ears or the banking industry is sucking the life out of the system. We have no room for advancement when trade agreements favor corporate bottom lines rather than national interests or when war becomes our major export. We cannot have faith in any ‘plan’ as long as corruption and collusion between government and big money is considered normal, business as usual and income disparity in the country is obscene.
Yes, people who are frightened and scared will make decisions, latch onto ‘plans’ that are self-defeating and against their own self-interests. That’s why it’s called the politics of fear, the tyranny of insecurity.
And that’s why a people who wish to remain independent, with a modicum of freedom, must reject those slippery, soothing ‘plans.’ And the executioners who offer them up in rosy, vague language. The essay by Bush/Warsh isn’t a plan. It’s an enticement to sip another glib-flavored koolaide.
To a lot of Americans, yes. Clearly. Bush got a huge majority of people on board with his response to 9/11 even though it included a war on a nation and a leader with no connection to 9/11 and legislation that subverted our civil liberties. To angry, hurt and fearful people, War on Terror did have a nice ring to it though. Then Obama got a huge number of people, who swear they’re progressives, cheering his health care reform that he copied from Mitt Romney, whom they can’t stand. Frightened people feel more secure with a plan, but what’s in the plan doesn’t convince most people as much as the label and a salesman who can sell it.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. — H. L. Mencken
You guess wrong.
“Then I guess you cheered the Ryan plan and joined the drumbeaters in saying how ‘brave and courageous’ Ryan was.”
You guess CORRECTLY Peggy Sue.
I don’t see Obama pushing for a grand strategy on anything, and if he did, it would be so filled with social justice caveats and regulations, not to mention the unions, it would be too expensive and unworkable.
Imo, the bottom line is, he doesn’t give a damn. As long as he can woo campaign funds from the rich, and keep the base in his corner, he is happy to remain a false idol.
Looks to me like they’re putting out trial balloons to see what grabs people. And for whatever it’s worth, this morning Wall Streeters are chattering about this. Republican power brokers are looking for Obama’s weaknesses. They’re looking for places they can slither into with something that looks like strength next to his weakness. And without being able to copy Hillary’s plans or a Romney’s plan, a big weakness for Obama is he offers up no plans.
IMO these are the people to keep out of power. I’m not worried about tea partiers, they’re just pissed off middle class who feel ripped off, they’re as powerless as we are. Neocons like the Bushes are a whole different plate of potatoes.
Obama’s only plan is to get re-elected, how this is achieved is not relevant to him.
He will continue to convince the droolers that wealth is a finite number, and every dollar made by someone better off, is a dollar taken from them.
Personal achievement and diligence is perceived in the abstract by his followers.
If he can hand out free x boxes at his telepropter readings, he is a shoo-in.
I highly, highly doubt riots like this would hit the US anytime soon. The rioting here is more opportunistic, sadistic anarchy than it is political or racial. The mobs are multiracial and while they occasionally chirp about racism, their real motive is grabbing as much as they can from as many stores and houses as they can break into. They’re destroying their own communities and small businesses. The other half of the problem is the extremely over the top liberal government here. I’m a pretty liberal guy but this goes way too far. The cops are basically only allowed to shout and arrest people, so when hundreds of people are throwing molatov cocktails and rampaging the streets, they aren’t much help. They just now (four days too late) have granted the police permission to use /WATER CANNONS and the actual use of their BATONS/… probably the most obvious of tools in crowd control, that took this long to allow. It’s legal to shoot looters, legal to use tear gas, batons and water cannons in the U.S. Had this been legal here it probably wouldn’t have lasted one night. As it is these cops just kind of herd these rioters from one part of town to another, shouting and chasing them and not doing much else. The law is in the favor of criminals here.
Hey, i’ve been rioting in the streets for two years already, since I figured out what a dog Obama is. ‘Bout time somebody else comes out and hits the pavement!
This thread reminds me of The Waltons (if they cooked meth).