Tonight on the John “short” Show. JWS regular Tamerlane, who is a horse whisperer by trade, talks about horses. Listen to this fascinating interview by clicking here at 5pm Pacific or any time afterward.
Today’s year-end poll is below the fold. Please vote for 3 today:
This poll is really hard!
I’m no “originalist” like a certain earnest commenter (no, not Christof) of late, sudden and precipitous prominence, but isn’t “corporate personhood” a 2010 bad idea and not a 2011 one, re: Citizens United? (It actually may go back to 1886 Southern Pacific RR vs Santa Clara Co., but I digress,) That may help Coyote and fellow voters to narrow down choices on indeed a “really hard” poll. (I look forward to TL’s radio show, if electricity holds up given our Joan Didion-Raymond Chandleresque killer Santa Anas, right, JWS?)
Yes, where is fisherhorne?
Yes, that is what I said
And it was a good point.
I do prefer my polls hard
boooooom TISH!
“Corporations are people” is in the lead. I’m guessing “Horzontal Decsion-Making” will win (only so to speak).
i have to say, i think dirty thoughts when i hear the term “horizontal decision making”…
Hilarious. Apparently, some of the campers are thinking the same thing.
Is it possible to horse whisper Occupy into a concrete action plan?
Inquiring minds want to know.
HA!
“Is it possible to horse whisper Occupy into a concrete action plan?”
LOL!!! I think Tamerlane tried it and they bucked him.
John “Short” (if that’s really his name) show.
(imust, that one’s fer ya.)
What is the John Short show? Is it another show of Johns? I get email reminders about it.
What a great picture of those beautiful horses!
Is Tamerlane actually going to be “On the Horses” or is he just going to talk about them?
He’s going to whisper about them, Mouse!
Oh!!!!!
I better put my earpods in.
Our original plan was to record the interview down at my barn, to get those cool “ambiance” sound effects like NPR uses in their stories to hide the fact that that NPR stories are really boring.
A show fron your ranch would have been great. I envy the work you do.
Funny — even though I don’t often find consensus with my views here, whenever I do a poll the item I pick usually has the most votes. We’ll take our consensus where we find it!
“Indirect consensus” in action! lol
Beautiful pic of the horses.
John & Tamer, nice show! Laker & I enjoyed it. Please feel free to have more non-political shows.
Enjoyed the show and really enjoyed Tamerlane. But then, I usually do!
Please don’t discuss our sex life in public.
HAHAHAHAHA!
And he’s a straighty who’s not afraid to go ‘there’. Most pleased.
Yep, I figured.
Tamerlane that was so great! Look forward to next week part 2
Breaking news: obama signs repeal of ban on horse slaughter:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/1129/Way-cleared-for-horse-slaughter-to-resume-in-US-after-5-year-ban
YA campaign promise broken.
I was thinking about this as I listened to the show tonight. Ack.
Could someone please be lugubrious? I’m having the need to call someone lugubrious.
Wha??? You want to lubricate someone???
Sounds like a job for Shelby!
I’m feeling miserable, sad and despondent, Jay.
Mom, Shelby will be lugubrious when Obama loses the election.
Oh, NES, your just being lugubrious.
(Thank you – the need has been fulfilled.)
Anytime Jay!
Thanks for a most interesting show, John and tamer..
This is way ot, but good grief..the dingleberries in the WH are using our country’s highest honors, and battle ribbons as Christmas Tree ornaments…words fail..for once.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-AVo_ufC_MrY/TtejqImd1YI/AAAAAAAAU84/4mZNCoVFe0k/s1600-h/sgs%25255B3%25255D.jpg
Are we sure that isn’t photoshopped, Sophie. Nhard to believe they’d be that clueless.
Here’s a bigger version….
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-qSDrhIpCeh0/TtejpgZiVAI/AAAAAAAAU8s/thtPAGNNKHY/s1600-h/sgs%252520tree%25255B4%25255D.jpg
OMG!
There won’t be any shit about this story because there’s no reason for it. Here’s a story about the 2 trees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/bo-is-christmas-star-in-white-house-decor/2011/11/30/gIQAcdcwDO_story.html
I read about these trees a few days ago. The families of fallen soldiers and decorated soldiers helped to decorate these trees, Their children made ornaments, etc. And besides, I seriously doubt that any of this was Obama’s idea, it’s to original.
Bad Sophie…you’ve been reading at those right-winger sites again, haven’t you? Confess!
Gives new meaning to the word ‘clueless, no ?
No kidding, Sophie!
They probably think it is a ‘clever’ way to show that BO’s bringing the troops home by X’mas. Are they getting any shite for it?
Here’s a photo of an Xmas Tree that Obama might have dreamed up.
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/carlart/carlart0707/carlart070700031/1179699-christmas-tree-decorated-with-red-and-green-golf-balls-and-also-ribbon-tied-golf-balls-in-foreground.jpg
Ha! Good one.
USA Today — a low-brow paper but widely read, nationwide — strikes a cautionary-to-negative note in an editoria on Newt. (Can’t paste in the link for some reason, this being a very temperamental comment box.) The editorial is entitled: “As Gingrich Rises, So Do Questions Of Temperament.”
I continue to believe that Gingrich will be eaten alive by BO and his machine.
He’ll be obliterated. He’s such an arrogant ass and he’ll be exposed (again) for who he really is. This is why I’ve written here over and over again that I can’t imagine what the GOP is thinking to allow this sort of candidate to rise to the top. POTUS is there for the taking except for this sad cast of characters.
1st it was Donald Trump – Birther nutcase, sleazy, combover
2nd it was Michele Bachmann – Religious zealnut and gaffe specialist
2.5 it was Ron Paul – The Alex Jones, Civil Libertian until it comes to your womb. candidate
3rd it was Rick Perry – Mr. Forgettable, forgetful, empty vessel
4th it was Herman Cain – There aren’t enough words to describe how despicable this man is
5th it was Mitt Romney – Who never met an issue that he couldn’t both support and reject in the same sentence.
6th it was Newt Gingrich – Hypocrite, Liar, and the list goes on!!!
Mr. Gingrich from a campaign speech yesterday on the poor and poor children.
I’d pay a dollar to see that.
Hahaha, myiq. I’ll raise you a dollar.
Gingrich is an idiot — doesn’t he realize that “mop the bathroom, clean the floors” soundbite will go viral. I hope he keeps up these clueless comments so he can self-destruct sooner rather than later.
I don’t want to see a 10 year old elementary school boy using the hall buffer. If you’ve ever done it you know its quite a ride. And I don’t want to put 9 yr old girls cleaning the toilets where godde only knows what is growing. And I don’t want to see 11 year old girls or boys cleaning the stove or the floors in the school cafeteria. We need to put Newt’s Poppin Fresh Arse to work at a real job, like being a school Janitor, instead of the yak, yak, yak, palm greasing, back slapping, ass kissing, 65k a whack speaker circuit, banquet attendee work he’s been doing for the past 35 – 40 years.
Dam GOP supporters, why are ya’ll yearning to return to the 1920′s?
“I hope he keeps up these clueless comments so he can self-destruct sooner rather than later”
He’ll keep this up because this is an old theme with Newt. He was advocating for these sort of idiotic ideas when Bill Clinton was POTUS.
He claimed at the same event that the Food Stamp card can be used to take a trip to Hawaii. He’s such an uninformed ass that he really believes that BS. Someone needs to tell him that you can’t buy anything with the Food Stamp EBT but food, from a grocery store or super market. You can’t use the food stamp cards like a credit card, eat out with it or buy anything with it but food. You can’t even buy household products like paper towels or tissue. Yet Newt claimed you could go to Hawaii with the card and he also claimed that rich people are getting food stamps. One of hte MSNBC guests suggested that if Newt has the names of those rich people who are fradulently receiving FS he should give their names to the DOJ.
Newt is an asshat. .
Thanks for sharing the Food Stamp story about Newt, Mouse. I have to admit I laughed – he is just so outrageous. That kind of shit just rolls off his tongue.
A feisty old guy (gotta love him) calls Newt Gingrich a liar concerning Food Stamps
Good on that feisty old man. Speak truth to power is always a heartwarming thang to see.
Newt, 2 weeks ago, telling America during a debate that he’s going to make radical changes that will affect the poor.That means putting poor children to work, lowering the minimum wage, getting rid of FS and other social services programs. All of that means swelling the ranks of the poor. And he claims to represent the Religious Right? Wrong!!!
The GOP primary voter to remind themselves that this is still a center-right country, emphasis on “center.” The kinds of things Newt is saying on the topics at hand would play well in a talk at the CATO Institute; they’re not vote-getting favorites.
Erratum: “…voters need to remind…”
My how things have changed.. I remember when being ‘allowed’ to wash the blackboard, and then take the erasers outside, to pound them together and get the dust out, was a ‘reward’ for good behavior.. I didn’t get to do that stuff very often..And no, I didn’t go to the little schoolhouse from ‘Little House on the Prairie’, although my grandchildren suspect I did..
My daughter called this morning, she is a reformed Obot, and said she was trying to support Romney in desperation, but just read that he tied his dog to the top of his car, so he’s toast as far as she is concerned. I reminded her that she tried to give our dog to Goodwill when she was 4, but she said it’s not the same thing at all.
Well, that’s a wee bit different than being hired to clean the toilets, isn’t it?
It’s a lot different to slap erasers together or dust a statue of “Mary” than to send a 10 yr old girl from a poor family to clean toilets or unrinals in school restrooms or mop the floors in the school cafeteria. Trying to parallel the two things as somehow similar is ridiculous.
I was not attempting to draw any parallels. Just sharing how sometimes ‘work’ was treated as a reward with kids..
The daughter who had a problem with Romney’s dog is a vet, so she takes this far more seriously than most.
My bff and I spent almost a whole summer working in the kitchen of a horse riding camp, just so we could get free lessons.. It was worth it. Tamer’s show reminded me of that wonderful summer.
It’ll be interesting to see if Gingrich’s numbers go up or down as he lays out this stuff.
One thing I like is that he appears to be forthright and telling the truth. Obama’s a liar. In my experience it’s better to work with a forthright person I disagree with than a liar who says what I want to hear and then does something completely different.
And I’m not at all offended by the notion of teenagers working, rich or middle class or poor. A lot more of them are working today than five years ago, in Connecticut anyway, and maybe I’m old fashioned but I think it’s good.
“And I’m not at all offended by the notion of teenagers working, rich or middle class or poor”
No one is saying that teens shouldn’t work, but he’s not talking about teenagers, he’s talking about children. He’s also talking about taking jobs away from adults (in a not to subtle attempt to take down public workers unions) so that their children can work. Newt is an IDIOT!!!
“Gingrich initially drew criticism for the idea after an appearance at Harvard last month, when he promised “extraordinarily radical proposals” to change America’s “culture of poverty,” such as allowing children as young as 9 to replace adult janitors at schools.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-1202-gingrich-child-labor-20111202,0,439006.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
That will be interesting. I’m predicting his numbers will go down.
I’m not offended by the notion of 16-18 year olds working either, as long as it’s voluntary; devil’s in the details, I suspect. But, is that the only age group group Newt’s talking about?
Yep, no ambiguity there – he meant to include young kids.
He’s a DMW now. Good riddance.
I have no problem with children doing chores. I was a baby sitter at 10, I had a 20+ hr a week job by 14. I came from a very poor family, but no one asked me to clean the toilets in the school restroom. And my family, despite Gingrich’s bullshit, had good work ethic. His ongoing effort to paint all poor as shiftless, useless and criminal is sick pandering to a base that’s warped.
Sorry your childhood was so rough, Mouse. My late mother came from a very poor family too — nine kids. She had an incredible work ethic.
I don’t like the way he paints all poor with a broad brush just as I don’t like the way you do, Mouse, which is just as ridiculous. Or the way you broad brush all wealthy or investment bankers as you do. You’re as off base as Gingrich is in recognizing who should be helped, who should be reigned in, who should be held accountable, who should be urged to better behavior. Class warfare is not helpful to understanding or formulating solutions to the problems we have today, whether it’s Gingrich’s wrong way or your wrong way.
The couple of (newly) upper middle class white kids in my life would benefit greatly from cleaning the bathrooms at their school.
” You’re as off base as Gingrich is in recognizing who should be helped, who should be reigned in, who should be held accountable, who should be urged to better behavior.”
WTF are you talking about Zal, it wasn’t but a few comments back that you were praising Gingrich. “It’ll be interesting to see if Gingrich’s numbers go up or down as he lays out this stuff. One thing I like is that he appears to be forthright and telling the truth”
I know you’re feeling the love for Newt, but “Forthright?” “Telling the truth?”. He’s a lying prick. And the poor and middle class don’t hold enough financial sway to wage class war, all we can do is call attention to the problems that exist. Class war is and has been alive and well in most of the world throughout history and has always been a top down phenomena, not the other way around. It is class war that keeps the upper class in villa’s, yachts and diamonds. Someone from the middle class & working poor must scrub the toilets in the villa, scrape the barnacles from the hull, and mine the diamonds, right? We can’t all be rich, can we because who would put in all the sweat equity required to keep the nations wheels turning. One can’t be uber-wealthy unless someone or many someone’s are much less wealthy or poor, at least it hasn’t happened in any society to date.
“Sorry your childhood was so rough, Mouse”
I didn’t know I was poor until I was nearly grown. I thought everyone had a dozen or more people (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins) living in their house.
Life was never dull, especially at bath time and my grandmother was the best cook on the planet. We had love, who could ask for anything more.
Yep, the love thang is kind of priceless.
zal, I believe the worst of Obama, that he is malicious and shrewd, a dangerous combination, immature, inept and a liar. I could go on, but I am almost ashamed of the depth of my dislike for him and his cronies..Without our current corrupt media’s collusion, Obama would still be a lazy, low earning lawyer in Chicago, making his way in the world, under false pretenses, and being perfectly okay with that.
Even the nuttiest of the R’s don’t create the same visceral reaction in my mind. Some of this I attribute to his obvious-to-me mental problems. The inner rage, the detachment, and the narcissism are not uncommon in history’s really bad apples. He objectifies all but those closest to him, everyone is expendable in his mind. .I truly believe he is dangerous, especially when threatened. If Hillary doesn’t stick around, we are in real danger,imo.
Another term of O could put the entire country on anti depressants, at bottom, we don’t trust him and he doesn’t like us..Four more years of a funk, will finish us, I fear….
Now, I have to wonder whether Gingrich is an idiot or someone with an electoral death-wish. Which is it? I’m inclined to think it’s the latter.
To clarify: When I say “idiot” above, I mean an idiot to not realize that statements of this nature are electoral poison. I mean, he’s spent his life in politics, FCS!
Maybe I’m giving Newt too much credit here, but his statement also included the fact that we have thousands of kids today, who grow up in neighborhoods where nobody works..They have no concept of ‘work’ or why it is important,, This translates to school behavior, and ultimately adds to the number of droputs..What happens when the money dries up, is the stuff of nightmares.
The meaning of ‘work’ needs to be emphasized in the curriculum, and that can be accomplished in other ways than hiring mini janitors.