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Please call in – you all have so much to say – say it on the radio. Sophie, Zal and DeadEnders I’m talking to you!
Thanks for the invite Lynne, but nothing could compare to the rapport between you and John.
The plagiarism charge that Tam repeated on the show has been completely debunked:
So it has, and Trinko has issued a retraction. I went straight from the barn to John’s show, so I missed that development.
On the other hand, Warren’s claim of Cherokee ancestry has also been thoroughly debunked, yet she stubbornly continues to present herself as American Indian.
I’ve already addressed family ancestry and self identification; I suppose it’d be nice if we all were fully and accurately informed and totally truthful about our ancestry, but most people find something they relate to, maybe it’s only “family lore,” and that looms larger than the other parts, and most don’t break it down by percentage. That’s just the way it is, and IMO it’s not something that’s especially relevant to a Senator’s job. So unless you can explain how this nonsense strikes out her intelligence and knowledge and ability to explain complex financial matters simply, I don’t care what her ancestry is and I don’t care what her family believes about their ancestry. It has as much to do with my decision about whom to vote for as Monica’s blue dress did.
Have you hear, Zal? Bertrand Russell swears there’s a teapot orbiting the Sun, and there’s no way you can prove it isn’t there! Exactly like Warren’s Cherokee great-great-great grandmother.
No that’s not “exactly like Warren’s Cherokee great-great-great grandmother,” and drawing such a comparison is disingenuous. I’d respect your rejecting Warren, including if it were in favor of Scott Brown, if it were honest but what you’ve attacked her with is nonsense. And you not only exaggerated but you’ve, with zest and zeal on a radio show, repeated the much more damning charge as fact despite it being debunked by completely objective evidence. And ignorance is no excuse; it was debunked weeks ago and you reported the charge saying something like you’d “just read” it.
Bertrand Russell swearing there’s a teapot orbiting the Sun would be nuts, like Christine O’Donnell’s witchcraft. An American claiming Native American ancestry four or five generations back is not only fairly common but also has a reasonably good chance of being true.
What’s the real reason you’re rejecting Elizabeth Warren for Senate? I don’t believe it’s for the reasons you’ve said; you’re way too smart and practical to have it really be over something so inconsequential to the job.
“So it has, and Trinko has issued a retraction. I went straight from the barn to John’s show, so I missed that development.”
The plagiarism story was retracted nearly a month ago. A long time in the barn
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/300502/plagiarism-2006-book-co-authored-elizabeth-warren-katrina-trinko#
Wish I’d said it that way.
Now, believe it or not, I’m headed out to the barn then the chicken coop then the vegetable garden — all of which, until the past couple of years, was the last thing I thought I’d ever be doing, much less enjoying. And in a weird way, in part, I have Obama and the whole mass movement culture to thank for this unexpected life change. Funny how something that feels horrible can precipitate change that feels wonderful.
I had just read that plagiarism charge Wed morning. It’s not included in my article, which has plenty of other, irrefutable instances of Warren telling whoppers.
A pattern of mendacity reflects character, and is a relevant criterion for selecting someone to high office.
It’s obvious that you’re gaga over Warren’s economics, and refuse to even listen to any negative critique of her character.
If we are to demand a higher calibre of candidates across the board, we can’t keep moving the lines to accommodate our personal favorites.
You can read my thoughts on Warren here.
http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/elizabeth-warrens-struggle-with-truth/
Not interested. I heard your thoughts just now. You think she’s a mental case comparable to Christine O’Donnell and you repeated a charge, which you exaggerated, against her that was debunked weeks ago.
I’ll judge Elizabeth Warren on the intellectual competence she’s demonstrated publicly the past couple of years.
Fine with me. Stay inside the echo chamber.
Warren has been proven to be 0% Indian, yet continues to claim she is. No sane person would do that. She’s also repeatedly set her pants on fire for the past 4 weeks straight.
Oh, but she’s not a republican, I forgot. So that makes lying your ass off OK.
LOL Yeah that’s me, Mr. Go-along with the echo.
I don’t care that Warren believes that her family is part Cherokee. My dad insisted that he was related to Daniel Boone although no proof of that exists. It would be harmless family lore except – I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that she used that family lore to get herself a better place in line. I respect the need for affirmative action, but not the people who abuse it. It’s a bit disingenuous for a law professor to say that she didn’t realize that checking off that box would have favorable repercussions for her. And loaning your family money at over 9% interest to buy foreclosed homes when your claim to fame is consumer protectionism is just a bit hypocritical. That being said, the main reason I won’t vote for Warren in November is because I will not reward the Democrats for not giving DeFranco a seat at the table that she earned. Call it “I have not forgotten May 31, 2008″.
I don’t mind if people don’t accept my gut feeling as to *why* Warren lies so much, but there’s no denying that she does lie on an alarmingly regular basis.
And, if you reject my hypothesis, then the only explanation for Warren lying to employers about her minority status is that she intentionally cheated the system.
As Elliesmom points out, somebody who’s railing against predatory mortgage practices at the same time she’s flipping foreclosed homes is a hypocrite.
Deep-sixing DeFranco to avoid a primary was not only un-democratic, it’s an admission that your Chosen One is a fatally weak candidate. If voters dutifully vote for someone like Warren, just because she’s not a republican, they are only rewarding the Dem’s bad behavior.
There’s no denying it??? I have yet to see evidence that she “does lie on an alarmingly regular basis.” Other than this Native American issue, which is “lying” only in the loose sense of the word because there’s every indication that she did truly believe her family’s belief about their ancestry, and so far as I’ve seen there’s no positive evidence she doesn’t have a Native American ancestor, just a lot of non-evidence, what else has she lied about on an alarmingly regular basis?
Lying on a regular basis not only shows a lack of character and integrity, it’s pathological, there’s something wrong with the mental health of people who do that, and people who go along with it are on shaky character ground as well. I won’t support the candidacy of anybody who lies “on an alarmingly regular basis,” so you could easily change my position. But if you’re right that she lies on an alarmingly regular basis it should be easy for you to provide ample evidence of it.
Great show, John!
After whining about how Walker “bought” the recall victory, the proglodytes next, ballsy move to sway the Nov elections is to start threatening to move to Canada!
I wish. They would hate the changes that have happened there recently. But they wouldn’t probably wouldn’t bother investigating before they moved, so…
They saw in BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE how no Canadians ever lock their doors, so that makes all Canadians Beautiful, Perfect Creatures.
Or so the proglodyte mind works.
Only caught the last few minutes of the show. Thanks for the remembrance of D Day I have a few old friends who thank you too
Thanks Sophie. D-day has a horrible majesty like Gettysburg, alas, it had no “address” to solidify its importance.
Thanks to all listeners of the show too. We go for it…agree or not… and as Lynne said – call in!
Begala on the WI recall…
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/06/cnns-gut-check-for-june-6-2012/
I don’t know why anybody listens to a word Begala says. He’s always struck me as a cheesy used car salesman. But he and CNN are a good fit.
Obama doesn’t give a shit about Walker or public unions or jobs, and his narcissism (and in this instance reasoned thinking, IMO) makes him believe he’ll get Wisconsin anyway. But most importantly, Michelle and Barry and Valerie clearly believe defeat has a taint and they’re obsessed about never getting any of it on them. “Winning” is all that matters – and for Obama & Co, and millions of their ilk in America, the “winning” is always exclusively about themselves.
John, I think your point about decisive change being a reason Wisconsin voters stuck with Walker is well taken, but I don’t think it carries to the Obama/Romney race as you implied by bringing Obama into it.
In exit polls voters said by 51% to 45% that they would vote for Obama if the presidential election were being held today. Many who voted for Walker say they’ll vote for Obama. I think a lot of people who voted for Obama in ’08 blame his failures in the change department on Republicans, not on him, and I don’t think Romney makes a case for being a man of decisive change, so even if voters are disappointed in Obama that doesn’t translate to rejecting him.
Zal,
You may indeed be right about this, but I hope not. Perhaps, by November, even the progs will have been so badly effected by the economy, they will rethink their votes.
BUT, the news this morning was that there has been an 18 cents/gallon decrease in gas in the last month. That may well continue and turn the tide against Romney by November. Of course I am happy to have even a small measure of relief at the pump, but it will never change my vote. That may not be the case for many voters who are more easily persuaded.
Nobama – ever
I’m with you, leslie, never will vote for Obama. But I do still think he’ll win in November. I’ll vote for Romney because I believe Obama is way more toxic than he, but to convince a majority Romney needs to make a strong case that I think he isn’t capable of making.
Why is everyone still citing that exit poll? It also had Walker & Barrett tied, meaning there was a 7 pt. pro-dem skew. And shiver me timbers — it showed obama up by 6!
Zal, I’d only say two things in response: 1. Exit polls got the Walker/Barrett result wildly wrong – and I have my suspicions about that poll. Not giving and “undecided” choice is telling. Even I pull that here with my for fun polls- don’t give a “don’t know” choice. Force another answer.
2. But even if that poll is spot on the point I was trying to land on (and I always find difficulty with – is this) is this the emotional dynamic we saw in WI may well be the same in November: The perception of leadership ability will be a decisive factor. Surely if the general election and the recall had both happened tuesday Obama would have taken the state. That said, I think more than ever that this election will hinge on perception of leadership – or perception of competence if you like – where we are as of June 7th this thesis is playing out, with Dems like Bill C doing a lot of the damage to Obama upfront. And the GOP assaulting from land and sea in the immediate aftermath. Romney’s done little other than some good agitprop and raise money….which he’s doing rather well. The “story” making rounds is that Bill Clinton blurted out to some GOP leaders recently “you have 6 months to save the country” – now this is probably bullshit – but it’s one of those stories that feels so possible that it may as well be true.
We’ll see if Obama can trip Romney’s narrative up over the summer. I very much believe he can if he gets his ego out of the way – a nearly impossible task thus far – and Mittens has been tripped up a few times – rather easily too. The pain in some of the media at seeing Obama’s team screw up is palpable and they will roar forward in defense of Barry whenever they can. If MR gives an opening they’ll bury him.
Right now my sense is that this is all going exactly as Romney wants it to. “Leadership and competence” have replaced “Hope and Change” and so far Obama has no answer.
I am in hope that Mitt has better people around him than he has in the past. His team has put out some devastating and sharp t.v. spots Much as I detest armchair psychology, I sense an empty hole somewhere in Romney’s psyche that seems to affect his public statements, maybe it’s me, but he seems incapable of joy. Perhaps it is just nervousness, or maybe his joy is watching his bank accounts. OK enough of loosey goosey New Age ‘wisdom’.
This is imo, extremely serious:
http://freebeacon.com/feinstein-on-intel-leaks-i-have-never-seen-it-worse/
” maybe it’s me, but he seems incapable of joy. ”
But you’ve never seen his dungeon!
omg..I wish I could take the above bit about Romney back, calling him a bit of a stiff works much better, Way back when, the country admired stiffs, people called them dignitaries..Since personal dignity is rare these days, maybe now it equates with ‘stiff’.
Maybe a little dignity that isn’t just self worship, is exactly what the country needs in these times. .
..oy vey too much caffeine this a.m..stop me before I kill again.
Romney’s definitely got a retro feel about him, and I think the country is going to go retro this fall. What is was it that Don Draper said about nostalgia in season 1 of Mad Men? Hell, just check it out for yourself, because this personifies Romney’s campaign strategy this fall. This will be his closing argument, basically.
This one is actually better, because it gives the whole scene, and that part about technology and flash is important.
I think obama’s campaign so far is based on those electrified panties.
Lola, I’d forgotten Don’s Carousel pitch. That clip gave me goosebumps that wouldn’t go away. Thanks for the ‘nostalgia’.
Regarding the polls in Wisconsin – they were wrong in projecting that Barrett would win or that he would lose by a whisker. Many people are preferring to be a bit untruthful in reporting who they voted for or will vote for in November – they didn’t want to be ‘attack’ by the proggies or labeled racist – we all witnessed repeatedly the craziness of the protesters at the Capitol.
and of course… this one is on the recall:
Lola at large : that sequence in the first season may be the reason i’ve stayed loyal to MM regardless. and let me too you – is this season spectacular or what?
Good call on the Romney campaign too…very interesting take…you need to write a piece for tis blog!
“American claiming Native American ancestry four or five generations back is not only fairly common but also has a reasonably good chance of being true.”
Sure, if you define “reasonably good chance of being true” as ‘I never bothered to check.’ The German side of my family tree stops short at my great-grandmother, an orphan. Since we can’t prove otherwise, do I get to claim I’m a descendent of the Elector of Saxony?
Even at 1/32, Warren had no business, legally, ethically, or tastefully, to go around touting herself as a minority.
But Warren’s ancestry HAS been checked back 5 generations, and everyone on her family tree is confirmed as white. Her other family stories have been debunked as well. Why won’t Warren admit her mistake and issue an apology?
I can’t miss the irony of you saying that after last night you authoritatively stated that Warren had “plagiarized paragraph after paragraph after paragraph,” when in fact the charge had been of two paragraphs and the charge was debunked weeks ago — all of which you would have known if you’d bothered to check.
I guess there’s not a reasonably good chance of believing what you claim is true since you’ve now proved yourself to be someone who states something as fact without bothering to check?
Just ribbing you, but I hope you catch my point.
It has been confirmed that Warren plagiarized her recipes in “Pow Wow Chow”. The crab omelet is word for word Pierre Franey’s. I think it’s unlikely that he copied from her. Sometimes recipes get handed down in families like stories about our heritage, but it’s still at least irresponsible to print someone else’s recipe without permission and attribution. Mr. Franey is dead so she’s probably safe from lawsuits.
Repeating your ‘gotcha’ about the book plagiarism is not enough to divert attention from the many proven instances of Warren having lied.
If you’d bother to read my piece, you’d see that, as is my habit, I’ve diligently researched and given copious links to support what I wrote. I have on more than one occasion acknowledged errors and corrected them. I contacted genealogist Twila Barnes, and made revisions based on her input and that of other Cherokees.
Why aren’t you interested in knowing whether these Warren claims have been verified?:
* “I was the first nursing mother to take the bar”
* “I created much of the intellectual foundation for” Occupy Wall Street
* ‘My grandparents had to elope because my mamaw was 1/16th Indian’
* ‘I’m a Cherokee’
* ‘Now I’m a Delaware, too’
* ‘I only listed myself as a minority to get invited out for lunch.’
* “I didn’t list myself as a minority when I applied to Penn or Harvard.’
You also say you don’t care whether an Indian ancestor can be found for Warren. But real American Indians do care a whole lot. So, what you’re really saying is, you don’t care what Indians think about this.
I hope this is intended as sarcasm because if it’s not it’s woefully ignorant. And stupid.
One cannot sue over “plagiarized” recipes. In legal terms, one cannot plagiarize a recipe any more than one can copyright a title. If you could, Julia Child and practically every cookbook author after her would be bankrupt from lawsuits.
I like you, elliesmom, a lot actually, and when you posted some days ago that you wouldn’t vote for Warren, but would vote for Brown because he better represented your positions, that you’re more conservative than you used to be, I fully respected that. This, however, is utter nonsense. Someone’s a liar because they publish a recipe that’s been published by someone else? Has the whole country gone entirely mad????
Yes I don’t care what Indians think about this.
Indians are people who live in India you fucking moron.
If you knew any Native Americans you’d know they care a whole lot about not being called Indians.
HAPPY BREAK:
I have a question for those of you so Upset about Elizabeth Warren Lying about her ancestry.
Were you this upset with Hillary, refusing to vote for her and calling her a liar, when she was “caught lying” about being under sniper fire in Bosnia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I’ll tell you why this pisses me off.
I want to know why people, people I like and respect and generally agree with, are turning against Elizabeth Warren and aren’t being honest about it.
I’ve been annoyed with Elizabeth Warren for going along with ObamaCo even though she clearly understood they have squandered all their opportunities to set our economy in a better direction. She is by no means perfect, she’s flawed, she has weaknesses. But the charges against her of lying and plagiarism are utterly ridiculous attacks on a par with Bill Clinton’s blowjobs. I get it, I don’t care that Republicans and Obamabots are attacking Warren but I do not understand why liberals/progresses/former Democrats I respect are buying it. And I want to know why this nonsense about Warren is being repeated by people I generally agree with, people I respect, as if it’s gospel.
What the fuck, why have you turned against her. You’re allowed. You’re smart and you’re fighting the good fight. But I just want to know why you turned on her. It is not because of recipes or 1/32 of whatever. That’s just too stupid. I don’t believe for one minute that it’s because she’s a “liar.” That’s just not it. Just say it. I get why Obamabots are but why are you tossing Elizabeth Warren under the bus?
Zal’s correct about copyright law not covering recipes. In the cookbook world, it’s just considered bad etiquette not to give attribution.
The only thing I get from EW’s submission to Pow Wow Chow is, that was the extent of her attempt to connect with this heritage she says is so important to her. She never applied for citizenship, never researched her family history, never attended a Cherokee meeting or conference or seminar, never volunteered, never made a donation. Maybe she bought some beaded moccasins once at a gift shop, who knows.
I’m going to stay on topic and leave out discussion of other politicians. I don’t consider it “nonsense” that EW:
* Lied about her minority status to employers, then knowingly let them claim her as a minority on federal hiring reports;
* Continues to insist she is a Cherokee, even though it’s been proven false, and in the face of growing calls by real Cherokees for her to desist;
* Refuses to meet with a single representative of the Cherokee community to discuss the matter;
* .Tells self-aggrandizing stories about herself & her family that keep getting debunked;
* Flipped foreclosed houses while railing against predatory mortgage practices.
From another angle, I don’t like that EW was the anointed nominee after the Dem Machine pushed all her rivals aside and canceled the primary. Rewarding such behavior will only encourage more of it.
P.S.
I’ll stop using the term “Indian” when either:
a) my American Indian acquaintances ask me too, or;
b) when they stop using it themselves.
The PowWow recipe stuff was indeed snark. I assume that Warren was contributing a recipe the same way some of us have contributed recipes to church and school fundraising cookbook ventures and is not looking for a career writing them. I have contributed recipes to a “for profit” cookbook, and I had to sign an affadavit that the recipe was original, though.
I “turned on” Warren when she refused to admit that she had listed herself as a minority for personal gain, which I truly believe she did. I resent that she thinks the voters are stupid enough to believe that she did it to get invited to lunch. There are many people in this country who would like nothing more than a good excuse to do away with affirmative action, and Warren is a poster child for them. If she didn’t understand that she was applying for jobs where checking that box would give her an advantage, then she should return her law degree to Rutgers because she obviously isn’t qualified to be a lawyer. And if she really believes that she has been discriminated against because she has “high cheekbones”, then she has no idea what it means to be discriminated against. Not being able to admit you’re wrong is a real liability in politics. While none of that is why I personally won’t vote for her, it is why I will not encourage anyone else to vote for her who doesn’t share my own reasons.
Surely by “attribution” you don’t suggest “attribution” for who created the recipe? I mean really.
Cookbook authors (who rarely write the books – most cookbooks are ghost written, I’m doing one right now in fact – another, god help me, about grilling, but nevermind that) normally write a page or so of vanity acknowledgments, and therein they “give attribution” to the people they feel like flattering or massaging, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the creator of the recipes.
Cookbooks have never been about an author publishing his or her original recipes.
The first cookbooks, centuries ago, were collections of, lists of, recipes that were either the author’s favorite or instructions for professional cooks, not creations by the author. In more modern times cookbooks provided information like standardized measurements (thank you Fannie Farmer) and technique. And now most cookbooks are celebrity driven picture-saturated large format books filled with classic recipes with a tweak or two that supposedly makes them unique.
Even if an author wanted to attribute recipes to their original creator, they couldn’t. That information is long lost to the kitchens of time.
That’s utterly asinine and stretches way outside the bounds of credulity. I’ve been involved, directly and indirectly, in the production of many cookbooks and no publisher asks anybody if any recipe is original, much less sign a legal document attesting to it. It’d be like asking an author to attest to a book title being original.
What is it, again, that you do for a living, Zal?
I’m a writer.
Zal,
From the US copyright office:
“”Mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds, or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, when a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection.”
And if you’re just copying other people’s recipes and putting them into a book and claiming them as your own, then you’re not “writing a cookbook”. You’re editing recipes without the permission of their creators. Try entering the Pillsbury Bake-off with a recipe you’ve stolen. You’ll get kicked out on your ass.
Yes, nobody can type out Julia Child’s, or Martha Stewart’s or Ina Garten’s, cookbook and slap their name on it. I mean come on, of course not.
But that’s not the issue you and Tam raised. It was a couple of recipes that she said were passed down through the family; and for all we know they were. For all we know the recipe “plagiarism” could be wrong the same way the charge of her book plagiarism was — maybe the recipes were passed down among families and the more recent publishing of them was based on the old recipes. We don’t know, and since Senate involvement in cookbook recipes isn’t a concern, this is a nonissue except to adversaries of Warren’s trying to make it an issue.
My mother has an old box of recipes in her kitchen, some were written down by family members in the 1800s and claim to be family recipes. Maybe they are. Maybe they’re not. Lots of families have those handed down, and many end up in cookbooks or on restaurant menus. And that’s pretty much why US Copyright doesn’t go there.
Zal, I don’t know if this helps, but one of my grandmothers had a father who was a Scotsman. Why he emigrated to Ireland in those terrible times is a mystery. At any rate, he married my great grandmother, and they had a family. At some point, the family emigrated to Canada, to build a homestead on land granted to the family for service in the War of 1812.. They brought with them a stack of family Bibles tracing the Wallace family tree for many generations. In each generation, in those Bibles, is a William. History tells us that William never married but his brother did. Do we claim William as an ancestor,? Of course not, but he was a great hero of the Scottish people, so William was a traditional and popular name. Whenever Wallace lore came up, I reminded my kids that there was a contemporary man named George Wallace, too, and did they want to go down that road ? Besides I doubt the original William looked like Mel Gibson.
I think this is how harmless family lore gets started.My family has more likelihood of being descended from William’s brother than Elizabeth Warren does of being Cherokee. Although since I do have family papers, I could probably emigrate to Scotland or Ireland much more easily than Ms. Warren could join the Cherokee Nation.
If we consider the context in which Ms Warren made these claims, I think they are comparable to O’s claim of being Kenyan. They both were trying to gain an advantage when minority status was the soup du jour of their times. Who could have foreseen that the internet would become the powerhouse that it did ?
Sophie, genealogy has become a faddish fascination thanks to Internet whatevers. Before the past couple of years family history was generally passed down within a family, if it was passed down at all, and most assumed the names and stories were accurate and if they weren’t it didn’t matter as much as commonality mattered. Some keepers of family history were more interested in truth than others, some were more interested in a good story. Nobody outside the family really cared unless it was written into a memoir, and usually what was published was accepted at face value; if it was disbelieved then that disbelief was generally expressed with a shrug not outrage and loud exclamations of Liar! The notion of memoir and family lore as “lies” is ironically new in our time – ironic because while they’re so concerned about lies like James Frey’s in A Million Little Pieces or Elizabeth Warren’s about her Native American ancestor, Americans are much more casual about deception in day to day interaction. Not only is family history sometimes more fiction than fact, and believed anyway, intelligent people understand that a lot of the stories of world history, including what’s written in school texts, is at best marginally accurate.
If we’re, as a society, going to clamp down on lies and liars I’m all for it. And I’m happy to take Elizabeth Warren down if all the other liars are called out and shunned for being liars. But let’s do it across the board. When it’s a pick and choose affair, going after Bill Clinton or Hillary or Elizabeth Warren, I strongly suspect the motive isn’t truth telling but something else entirely.
I’d vote for Bill again tomorrow, even though he lied about sex to our faces. ‘Nuff said as far as I’m concerned.
P.S. Hillary is too smart to have made up that story from a whole cloth. I think she mixed up some different events that happened at different times. It seems pretty harmless compared to the huge lie that is Obama.
So yes, I do think Ms. Warren told a sort of fib, hoping it was true, to gain advantage. She was a brilliant woman, entirely self made, from a working class family who accrued great credentials. Better she had applied someplace less extreme than Harvard, rather than try to gain advantage due to ‘high cheekbones’.. She still would have had a stellar career.
I never thought Hillary made it up. I believed she experienced something and was told that something happened that she then interpreted to be sniper fire. I believe she believed it. I also believe Elizabeth Warren believes she is descended from some Native American blood and is proud of that.
Has everyone seen the latest faux pas, pretty funny.
http://jacksonville.typepad.com/patum_peperium/2012/06/obama-wages-war-on-his-wife.html
When is a gentle fib a lie ? As in, “I like your new haircut’ ? No harm, perhaps some goodwill, and no foul.
I find it somewhat unbelievable that a smart woman like Ms Warren would check a box and make a claim of minority status, based on the lore of some old auntie. However, if we take her word for it that that is what happened., color me skeptical, but okay.
Where it gets sticky is if that checked box was the sole reason she was hired over an equally qualified candidate, in that case considerable harm to another person was done. ‘
Without waterboarding all her living relatives we will never know,maybe they were all told this story, and believed it.
If most of my disrespect and dislike for Obama is based on his fraudulence, on both big and small lies, then much as I admire Ms Warren, if it can be proved she knowingly lied, I want my contribution back.
When a fib is knowingly told, no matter how tiny, if the payoff was Big, and there was harm done to another, it is no longer an ‘embellishment.’ This makes her no different or one bit worse than many on the Harvard roster, I wanted her to be better than that..
As for us non politicians, I will continue to accept as truth my dh’s claim that my new haircut makes me look younger, when I think ‘a little ‘less old’ might be closer to reality.
I must be way behind on the news. Are you saying E Warren got some kind of benefit from claiming to be 1/32 Cherokee??? I’m 1/8th. Where do I sign up?
btw, my older sis was looking at our family tree in SLC last year and called me and told me that we were twice as much Cherokee as we thought. They had listed 2 of our ancestors as being fully Cherokee instead of half, as I know they were. Just mentioning this to show that records are not always correct.
Thank you.
I insist that someone write MRS. WARREN’S CONFESSION.
Or just quote from the original.