Bubba to the rescue! President Clinton, more popular than ever, has been tapped for a prime time speech at the Democratic Convention. Dick Morris claims Clinton will be voting for Romney. I find this entirely plausible. So what is Clinton up to with this speech?
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Kinda shocked they aren’t just going to play barry’s 04 speech on the big screen and call it a day.
Where are the Dems new faces ? You know those rising stars who give stellar speeches, and make Dems feel hopeful for the future ? All Clinton’s speech does is highlight O’s lack of friends in his own party, and emphasize the dearth of interesting, newer, Dems. Clinton has worked diligently for all the respect and admiration he currently enjoys. This is just sad for Bill, and doesn’t help O, the comparison is too stark. This reminds me of the press conference O ditched and left Bill to clean up, which he did, brilliantly, all he needed was “The Way We Were” playing in the background, but most of us heard it in our heads anyway.
Sadly most Western organizations have been fossilising for years….End of Empire stuff and how Barry could happen in the first place …
Bill Clinton should pre-tape his speech and give it to the convention on a DVD. Talk about putting lipstick on the nomination pig, sheesh.
The poll results speak for themselves. I’m on the fence about this. I think Clinton was a great POTUS, but I always wondered why he didn’t support or urge Hillary to challenge the R&B Committee. Either he’s more loyal to the party than it is to him, or they have something really big on him (or both of them).
What I do think is that this is a dangerous move by Obama (not to mention desperate). Can you imagine how inept and lackluster he’s going to look after Clinton’s speech? Bill Clinton is a tough act to follow, and Obama just doesn’t have the chops.
The death of Arkansas State Chair, Bill Gwatney, shot by a person who never did anything odd prior to the day of the shooting, then, himself shot to death by the same Arkansas State Police who brought us Jennifer Flowers. Gwatney was the 1st State Chair to sign the Petition of 300 and agreed to enter Hillary’s name in nomination at the convention. The Bats were replacing her delegates and planning to ignore her 18 million votes without so much as a mention of her historic run in their lust for superlatives.
I think it’s a combination of “he has no choice” and given that, he’s going to use the opportunity to stick the knife in.
Hillary said no to VP…on to Clinton plan B
This is a bit rambly…
think it goes without saying that Bill Clinton is one of the most brilliant and successful politicians of our time. For me personally, I thought he was a great President and one of the most charismatic and hardest working Presidents that we’ve had as well, although in the fullness of time we’ve seen that some of the policy decisions he made during his two terms, like NAFTA, haven’t really turned out to be all that great for our country in the long run, but overall I think that Clinton was a great President, warts and all.
I think there is a penchant for a lot of us to think that the Clintons are always playing 11D chess with Obama, and I do have to disagree with that.. I don’t think either Bill or Hillary were really prepared for the kind of campaign that Obama was going to run or the way the media was going to get in the tank for him, and they made some pretty big mistakes in the way they responded, and those mistakes cost Hillary the nomination…much to my chagrin. They got gamed, but at the end of the day, they got gamed.
Of course, my own mental image of the Clintons is that they’ve got a huge Machiavellian plot to outsmart Obama and bring Hillary Clinton to the White House on 2016…but I don’t think that Bill has some grand plan to outshine Obama at the DNC. And I don’t think he has to.
The actions/decisions of Barack Obama the man have, in my mind, repudiated the mythos and persona of Barack Obama the brand.. I think in November all that will be left is the counting. It’s going to be an ugly election, but I think at the end of the day Romney will win by a very narrow margin as undecideds break for Romney as a referendum on Obama’s 1st term.
As far as Clinton and the Clintons, what I’d like to see for them and for Bill Clinton is a very great keynote speech and then for him and Hillary to go off into the sunset and enjoy the rest of their lives. They’ve given us enough.
My first election that I voted in was for Clinton, I stayed up with my Mom all night and watched the votes come in..I felt like I helped vote out GHW Bush and the recession would end and that things were going to get better for the working class..and they did for a while..and Clinton was at the helm during that time and he felt like a leader to me.
I don’t think we NEED Bill or Hillary Clinton to save the Democratic Party, I think as liberals and presumably Democrats, we need to take control of the party again and as voters drive it in the direction want it to go, and elect people that represent and legislate with integrity based on our best interests, not give lip service to some pithy ideology in the culture war.
The whole idea of “Who is going to be the next Kennedy, or MLK or Clinton, etc…” in my opinion leads us down the path to where we end up with Barry Sortero.. more of a celebrity than a public servant, who gives good speech and lip service, but really just seems to be in it for his own self-aggrandizement and to line the pockets of the people who finance his campaign….and that whole scam is not being really hidden, its being done in broad daylight.
As a country I think that we’ve got this whole idea of a big culture war being hammered on us every day, where the right is fighting the left for control of the country, and we vote based on who represents our perceived values and our interests, we get annoyed over stuff like Chick Fil A, we wring our hands over tragedies like the Martin shooting and the Aurora shootings and we get so caught up in trying to make ends meet that we forget that our votes count… whether voting with our pocket by boycotting Chick Fil A, voting against a Democrat in favor of a Republican or vice versa.. we want to vote for someone who is going to do the hard work for us…and again, thats how we end up with demagogues and talking heads running the sideshow while behind the curtain the rich and powerful are sucking the world dry for every resource possible.
Sorry for the ramble though… but I think if this blog has shown me anything is that there are smart passionate people out there who want to make changes…and we just have to get the word out.
and those mistakes cost Hillary the nomination
I beg to differ….it was stolen from Hillary. Straight up stolen. The problem was Hillary and Bill could not over come the entire ,and world wide, elite, who insisted on Obama come what may . It would take many books to tell the tale of what went into that, how every possiable stop were pulled ….And no one else but the Clitons could have come as close as they did even so
Paper Doll,
I completely agree with your sentiment about the nomination being stolen…that’s how it felt, that’s what I personally believe went down…Obama gamed the system to get the nomination like he gamed the system in his rise through Chicago politics.
BUT at a certain point, the media continued to ram Obama down people’s throats as the historic choice.. Chris Matthews leg started getting tingly, the outcry stopped… people said “Oh crap we can’t let someone like PALIN near the White House”
I think people to forget and move on to other distractions…and in doing that I think that both Dems/Repubs can/do take MOST of the votes cast for granted… but I think the only way that will change is when people stop “holding their nose” and voting the party line rather than insisting to vote people out when they don’t perform.
Dan, I can’t argue with a single one of your observation but one. The Democratic Party is irretrievably corrupt. Up until recently I, too, thought it could be rescued — retaken, so to speak. Now, I am convinced it simply needs to be replaced.
The Clintons & their posse surely chose to lay low and step in once the obamalonian Captivity is over. That’s in THEIR best interest –Bill’s; Hillary’s, Carville’s — but not us ordinary folk. We suffered, and will continue to suffer, one way or the other, for at least 4 more years. Much of the damage wrought by obama (& more upcoming by either him or MR) — to the economy, to the environment, to our fundamental freedoms — is irreparable. Hillary was in a unique position of having the power to stop all that. In my book, that meant she had a DUTY to stop it.
Hillary could have run as an independent in 2008 and won. She could have challenged barry this year and won. She didn’t. Too late, Hill. I’ve moved on.
I plan on giving my darnedest to help form a new center-left party in time for the 1014 mid-terms. In 2016, I hope to be working on the campaign of someone like Rocky Anderson. Barring an iconoclast winning a primary, I intend on never voting for another Democrat again in my life.
Hillary Clinton is fish & chips paper to me now.
I’m not sure where this post will end up, but it is in response to Tamerlane’s re: Hillary. Unfortunately, I tend to agree with much of what you said, although I don’t believe she could have won an independent run (I thought she could at the time as well, but I think my hope was more a reaction to a broken heart). I mainly agree with the seemingly irreparable disaster that we (and much of the world) had to and will endure as a result of the horrible antics and grand scheme of 2008. It was a perfect time to make great strides for the benefit of the middle class and really everyone. I remember some voicing the likely possibility that Hillary’s competent leadership would have made partisan politics moot, as the sane utopia that would fan out across the land would have disarmed the usual suspects. I actually believe it would have happened, as Hillary is and was a crackerjack stateswoman and had the work ethic and smarts to make it happen. I don’t know why more of a fight wasn’t wrought by her, despite all of our rationalizations. It may have been impossible, but what a tragedy.
I personally would like to give you a standing ovation for being a) incredibly smart, and be) incredibly brave. I share your thoughts, and I am sick and tired of seeing people treat Hillary in particular like she is a savior or some extension of the Bill Clinton years. But also, Bill did not come without his faults.
I have always believed in people-powered action to change the course of anything. Good for you, and thank you for sharing so I could identify, and feel less alone in my thinking.
Paperdoll, respectfully disagree. Hillary Clinton made one major mistake; the same mistake I made: She did not take Obama seriously as an opponent, thus she had no plan for him. And that’s how you lose to the opposition.
My first comment in reply here was to Dan’s original OP, ftr.
PD, Lola and Tamerlane,
Thanks for your comments… I agree with all of you and just wanted to add a few things.
As far as Hillary’s campaign, why she capitulated to a half assed delegate count is beyond me… that was a mistake, in addition to the other mistakes we’ve already discussed. Obama wanted the nomination wrapped up nice, neat and historical and Hillary was browbeaten to go along with it, but she went along with it.
To Tamerlane’s point in terms of 2008 challenge, I completely agree.. I believe that if HRC truly felt dutybound to oppose Obama she would have… and I think that in 2012 if Clinton felt dutybound to primary Obama she would have… If the snippet of converastion between Bill and HIllary in “The Amatuer” is accurate, Bill sure seemed to think that she had a duty to do so.
But she didn’t, and she hasn’t.
As SoS, Clinton gets to deal with/clean up the foreign policy mess of Obama’s administration, but in doing so, she’s complicit in it. As soon as she agreed to SoS job I figured that was going to be the end of her political career. Hillary is just as much a part of the Obama administration as Valerie Jarrett is.
Again, I think that we like to imagine what could happen, what might happen in 2016 if Hillary runs.. I think the Clinton’s both definitely have long memories and long agendas in terms of politics… but as much as I love him, Bill Clinton is just self absorbed enough to enjoy whatever amount of spotlight he can get for as long as he can get it… so regardless of what happens in 2016, I know we haven’t seen the last of him.
Hillary could have run as an independent in 2008 and won. She could have challenged barry this year and won. She didn’t. Too late, Hill. I’ve moved on.
It’s my considered opinion she would have been shot in either case. No one will be allowed to get in the way of the stealing of the trillions….every penny of them …Hillary would have been accommodating to the upper .999, of course, but would have tried to leave something on the table for the average person. That was out of the question for the overlords.
And even with all the thievery and fraud, Hill still didn’t lose by all that much, considering…..
Dan, let me put my senior citizen hat on, and let you know that even as a flaming 60′s Liberal, I never equated Liberalism with ‘entitlements’ or give away programs. Maybe I was living under a turtle shell, but the liberalism as practiced by me and my peers was all about Freedom, ending wars, ending the draft, and promoting women’s rights, to equal pay and opportunity.. All in all, most of us think we accomplished our mission.. If the party had been what it is now, back in my day, many of us would not have supported it. We came from hard working families, filled with war veterans. Give aways were a sideshow, at best.
Hey Conner,
What’s intersting is that even with all of the thievery and fraud, Clinton still had to throw her delegates behind Obama at the convention and not have a full count for “solidarity”…which was insult to injury in my opinion.
Thanks for writing, I come from a blue collar Democratic party family…and for my part, I never forgot how hard my family worked and sacrificed for us to get to where we are, and how hard I had to work to get to where I am. I think alot of my generation forgot. Aside from Desert Storm and a few brief and relatively bloodless forays abroad,my generation didn’t have to serve in combat the way current generation does, or the way that Vietnam era generation did, and in a way that’s marked us. The attacks on Sep 11th ended that in a big way.
I think in my personal beliefs and values, I’m extremely liberal. I don’t think the government has any business legislating based on religion, sexuality, morality, ideas, etc. We are a nation of laws.
I believe that we should all have equal rights and equal opportunity under the law and that on some level (that we all collectively agree to via majority in the voting process) that the government should be able have programs in place to ensure that happens, and I think that as we become more of a global society it’s even more important that we not only govern under the laws we’ve all agreed to, but hold our politicians accountable when they do not do that.
I will never forgive the Democratic party for what it did in 2008. Nor will I ever forget what the media (like the penultimate bootlickers Tweety Matthews and the Spinster Dowd) did to Gore in 2000 and then to Hillary.
I also find it interesting that rising populist voices with zipper problems (like Spitzer and Weiner) are outed and relentlessly shamed by the media, while their conservative counterparts continue to serve. Yes I know they are sexual idiots, but so was Clinton. And GHW Bush. And Kennedy. And Eisenhower. And Roosevelt.
Go, Red Sox! (Sorry, couldn’t help it.)
Ellie, ever since Dave Roberts stole that base, nothing can get me truly down.
My half wish, half prediction:
Bubba will stroll on stage, say “Hey Barry baby, kiss my ass.” and stroll off.
Amen, Andy..
Maybe this is a ‘pity’ appearance by Bill, since he has nothing to lose by it.
The only people left willing to be seen with O are the media and the whores who
want to get on their shows.
Think its an attempt to get Hillary Dems back into the fold? If so, he totally underestimated us.
I’ve been waiting four years to do this – and I’m not changing my mind because he suckered Bill into speaking. I volunteered time, did phone banking and a lot of other things for Hillary in ’08. I disdain Obama even more now than I did then.
If I had Aladdin’s lamp, I would rub it and ask the genie to make Bill do a few bong hits, come on stage with his sax and his raybans on and just start jamming and poking fun at this putz.
Yeah the problem with Bill doing some bong hits before the speech is that Barry might come over and do an “Interception” or whatever the hell he used to do with The Choom Gang.
Or he might have Bill dragged off stage and sent to Gitmo.
Maybe Bill is just trying to keep Hillary’s options for 2016 open.
It’s very telling that Hillary has said she is too tired to campaign for Obama.
Bill may speak at the convention, but Clintons do not forgive or forget.
As a cabinet member, I believe she’s enjoined from campaigning.
When did Hillary say she’s too tired to campaign?
I worked hard for Hillary Clinton, too, but I’d like to see her retire when she steps down from her job as Secretary of State. Maybe Chelsea could pop out a grandbaby or two for her to spoil. Grandbabies are good for the soul. It’s not that I think that Hillary is too old to run in 2016, or that I harbor any resentment toward her for the decisions she’s made. It’s just that it’s time for the Democrats to work on bringing a new crop of politicians to the forefront. Time to make Kirsten Gillibrand and others like her rising stars. As long as we’re all concentrating on Hillary, no one pays much attention to them. There only seems to room for one woman at a time in the Democratic Party’s front row.
Gillibrand has reached her ceiling. She’s a motormouth who’d never hack it in a national campaign. Mostly useful votes in the Senate, that’s what ya get.
No real interesting talent will ever come out of the duo-party. To succeed in the Gop or Dem machine, you need to play the game and plug in early to the unethical money feeding-tube.
I love your comments, Tamerlane, but quite frankly, I abhor that kind of thinking. There are good people in both parties. Are the parties machines and do they corrupt? Yes. No denying it. But is it possible to resist those corrupting impulses? I do believe it is. And I do believe I’ve seen it in Ronald Reagan & Bill Clinton. To believe it isn’t possible is to embrace nihilism. I just find rejectionism to be lazy, uncreative thinking. It’s a road to nowhere and a waste of time, IMO. No disrespect to you personally intended of course.
Nah, but he has a point Lola. If the good people could stay good on their ascent, we’d have more to choose from.
“There only seems to room for one woman at a time in the Democratic Party’s front row.” Until they throw her under the bus in favor of a less-qualified or “culturally exotic” male candidate.
Yep. They’re already talking about the keynote speaker as the possible “First Latino President”. As well as Mayor of Los Angeles Antonio Villarigoso who will also be speaking at the convention. Run down the list of demographic male “firsts” before there will ever be a woman.
There’s already an ‘Elizabeth Warren for President 2016′ FB page. She’s a bit under-qualified, having never been a community organizer, but damn, did she give a speech that shot tingles up all the proglodytes’ legs!
I own small blocks of wood that are smarter than Villarigoso.
As a near-neighbor of Antonio Villaraigosa (well, he had a nice hilltop home and I live down at the bottom of the hill where it meets the barrio), I attest to his vanity, his way with the women, and his posse of bodyguards who also look out for fine wine to regale him with. He’s doubtful as the “Latino president” or even governor of Cal after his bold womanizing sank his marriage and his reputation is less than stellar even by the local old-boy meets leftie/radical cronies he courts. He also flunked the bar thrice after graduation from the People’s College of Law, which by its name denotes its tilt. Even unions aren’t happy with him after he, formerly an LAUSD teacher’s union organizer, tried to clean up the notoriously corrupt and balkanized hierarchy that passes for leadership in our city, which even by recalcitrant teachers’ unions is very hidebound. But, given our city’s Dem-demographics, he’s what passes for a popular mayor.
I second Fio about hizz honor here in LA. Kinda of a pathetic bust overall. there is more than a little bad taste in mouths all around. His big initiative – the subway to the sea – will barely begin digging before he exits and won’t get any where close to the ocean upon completion in the year 3000. I suppose he could hang around for a senate seat down the line. But his star power was momentary and unique to L.A. ..Guv won’t happen. Gavin Newsome will suck away too many Dem white votes down here and win norCal.
Whatever one thinks of Warren I stick to my story that if she wanted to be POTUS she should have waited to run for Mass Guv. If she wins she joins a club from which president’s rarely emerge. I predict she’ll get lost in the mess.
And with Cruz’s rise in Texas I’m more convinced than ever that the GOP will make huge inroads with hispanics which Dems are simply not expecting. watch this senate race. Unless he chokes somehow I predict moderate whites and dem leaning hispanics will peal off in good numbers and vote for him. A dynamic that will plague dems going forward. Martinez pulled this off in New Mexico. Cruz already owns the Right in Texas.
Big Dog has to clean up after Lil’ Puppy, just sad.
…and Obama thought he had already tasted Dog Meat. HA!
o/t, but Ouch! Does this have the legs to be 2012′s Willie Horton?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/31/Obamas-Illegals-Commit-Crimes
The democratic party is dead! It died when it corrupted its own nominating system and allowed deluded king makers, the right to resurrect, the star chamber. They appointed a corrupt, incompetent, thug politician out of the Chicago machine, as their representative. The whole process has become an abhorrent nightmare. The media is as sinister as Obama, while they think they are too smart to have been hoodwinked. Their arrogance is as grotesque as the administration they protect. It is easy to see how great countries fail. America is in a death spiral, and only when we work as a country and take back what is ours, which has been ripped off, marginalized, dismissed and raped, will this country began to breathe again. Say what you want about the Clinton’s. They did their good and admirable part as elected politicians and in doing so built a stronger America, however how can they even be associated with Obama on any level is, distasteful. They witnessed and suffered the atrocities, spun by this gangster, yet they take direction from him. I do not know how they sleep at night? If Hillary is over then why does she dance with the devil? she can never walk that back. The party has become a vicious combination, of over paid self righteous ideologues and media whores who have made more money in prostitution than in journalism. The election will tell us only one thing, it will give us a read on how sick we really are. If Obama wins then this country is dead, too.
Yes.
Except I wouldn’t say “The democratic party is dead!” I’d say Our Democratic party is dead. Something named the Democratic Party lives on and will continue to live on but it’s not what we believed in and were part of. But that’s the state of the United States today. The same is true of much of the news media. Time magazine, The New York Times, CBS Evening News, CNN, these brands, like the Democratic Party, have the same name but what they stand for and deliver, what they were that we supported and bought and believed are gone.
And, as you hint, the same may be true of the Clintons. I said, back when Hillary got up on stage and endorsed Obama and then joined his administration, she was making a deal with the devil. On one hand I admire conformists, maybe because I can’t do it and it looks like it’s reassuring to be part of a club, but on the other I’m always wary of them because conforming requires subjugating something and oftentimes that “something” is basic principles. People think they’ll conform a little here, a little there, to belong, to be included, and assume they’ll remain themselves, but they don’t. They become something else and though they look and sound the same, like the CNN or Democratic Party brands, they’re actually pretenders of their former selves.
The only thing I can say about the Clintons now is I hope, for their sake, they’re not about to ride off into the sunset because they could have done that in 2009 and done so with their selves intact. But doing it after conforming to belong to a club that doesn’t really want you and you’re no longer simpatico with is just sad because, if you’re a principled person, a person to whom a personal code is meaningful, in conforming you lose pieces of your self that are essential to sustain happiness and inner comfort.
Surprising article by Reaganbot Peggy Noonan on Bill Clinton’s role at the convention.
I’ve never seen her be so appreciative of Big Dawg, nor so astute.
“There was lots of chatter this week about the decision to have Bill Clinton speak in prime time on the penultimate night of the Democratic Convention. Is it a sign of panic? Would the president give Big Dawg such a prominent spot if he wasn’t nervous? Does it gall him to ask for help from the guy who said of his 2008 candidacy, “This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen”?
But all this kind of misses the point.
The central fact of Bill Clinton is that he is really good at politics. And he has every reason to want to give a really good speech—to show he’s still got it like nobody else, to demonstrate he’s still the most beloved figure in the party, to do his wife proud. And of course to rub Mr. Obama’s nose in it.
The central fact of the Obama campaign is that they have not yet made a case for re-election. They haven’t come up with a reasoned argument in common words that can be repeated by normal people. Ask an Obama supporter to boil it all down and he’ll flail around and then say: “But Romney is awful” or “The Republicans are bad.”
The White House and the campaign have not been able to make a case for their guy. They’re just trying to make a case against the other guy.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html