Update: Last half hour. Romney won the last half hour, though Obama did wake up and performed well…enough. Overall, my only beef with Romney’s performance was at times he felt a bit frantic to get his answers in. He slammed usefully and diminished the President. Obama was too confident by half going into this. We found out tonight why Romney has been so successful in boardrooms. He was a commanding presence in a way he wasn’t when 6 other Republicans were on the stage. I DO give Obama credit for sucking it up after the first half hour.
Now what matters is the spin. We will now spend a week being told who won.
Update: 2nd half hour, Obama won by a squeaker. Reason: Voucher talk helps Obama and he did well with his answers. This may be a sympathy vote from me. Romney killed in the first half hour. Moving on to Dodd Frank now.
Update: First half hour Romney won going away.
DeeBate Night. I will be watching and will come back later with some thoughts. Watch. Comment. Don’t watch. Comment anyway.
First thought – no one has asked – is Jim Lehrer up to the task ’cause stumbled out of the block.
Plus – love a tweet from Alec Baldwin: “On jobs, Romney seems clear but his list was too long.” It’s a list of 4, Alec. I know you play a smart person on t.v. Try to act a little bit like one in real life.
Only 20 minutes in so far but gotta say Romney is doing well. Very well.
Is it streaming anywhere? I’m on a train home from.work.
I didnt build it. Someone else made that happen.
Yes we can!
should be on your local pbs radio station, dan.
youtube
I think Obama is bombing so far.
yes, he is
Lehrer just coached the jerk
The response I keep having to Obama is,”then why haven’t you done it?”
Exactly! The whole thing with “oh – people are getting tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas.” Uh – then why hasn’t that been on your task list to change for . . . . like . . .the last 4 years.
Everybody can see that, right? It is THAT obvious, right.
Those Bush tax cuts have been the Obama tax cuts for the past 4 years.
I heard obama playing the challenger to an incumbent. I was stunned, objectively. Can that really have been the strategy they came up with?
Great Tweet: votermom @votermom
I think Mitt may convert Obama to the Mormon faith by the end of this debate
Best line so far!!!
Tnx!
I’m shocked here. 45 minutes in. MR appears very poised. Obama not so much.
You know what – the whole “my grandma” thing is so obnoxious. His grandmother was a bank president in the 60′s. She had no pension or savings? Her only income in her retirement was SS? What the hell were you doing letting her live on SS oh grandson if that was really the case?? Of course, he’s just lying his ass off.
When she died (in 2008) she left Obama almost $500 million in Hawaii bank stock so just one more lie from Obama. You can look at Obama’s 2009 taxes to see it for yourself if you don’t want to take my word on it (p. 7; sold for $125,000 loss) http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/president-obama-2010-complete-return.pdf
She wasn’t a bank president, she was a vice president.
And the stock she left Obama was valued at $480,000 when she bought or received it.
It was never worth $500 Million.
Hey Zal, what part of “ALMOST” don’t you understand?
And no, that isn’t how it works — the value of an inherited item is listed aat value when it was INHERITED (2008) The value of the stock dropped market AFTER crash/when it was sold.
Now, I know you’re all upset that Obama was exposed for the fraud he is having had to stand next to someone who actually *is* smart, handsome & successful but those lies and/misrepresentations re: stock value and my use of the word “almost” is stupid even for you.
I realize a $499,500,000 difference may be “almost” to Romneyites and someone people around here call brilliant, but stupid old me calls it a big difference.
It must be that Ryan math…
Yeah. The fact that she was a vice president of a bank vs. a president completely undermines my whole – why the hell are you telling us she was living on SS when we know she either wasn’t (in which case you are lying your ass off you complete fraud) or if she was, then you are a fucking monster – argument.
Actually, run, the way you made your point was structurally unsound all the way around. There are plenty of people who’ve been president or vice president of banks and later do depend on SS and Medicare during some of their old age. And if you know anything about the upper echelon of business and finance, you know there’s often a big difference between vice president and president in salary and benefits, especially if the person in question was a woman and the period of employment the 1960s and 70s when women were not compensated anywhere near as well as men, health care insurance during retirement was generally not part of the package and pensions were very low compared to 1990s and 2000s dollars. And a person needn’t be on the verge of destitution to justly claim that SS and Medicare make their elderly years a completely different story than those years would’ve been otherwise. Mrs. Dunham lived to 84 years old and was ill for several years and had some expensive surgeries (and recoveries) late in life. If all she had was the $500,000 in stock she left her son, that would’ve been gone in a heartbeat without Medicare. Obama is a liar and phony, he’s done precious little to protect SS and Medicare, and his promises are worthless, but none of that is illustrated in what he said about his grandmother in this instance.
Further, your response to my correcting your error only proves you have as much respect for the value of facts and truth as certain politicians do. And that speaks to the credibility of your comments and conclusions.
Obummer is bs’ing- obamacare is a direct subsidy to the private insurers, not its repeal
Wow. Guys, are you seeing this? Obama has become fond of the name Obamacare? His narcissism is leaking out. Can’t believe he said that.
Stalin had a lot of things named after him, including an entire city. Not a phone, though.
3/4 of the way through, if I didn’t know Romney to be a robber-baron at heart, I’d vote for him. Though killing Big Bird can’t even be said with a chuckle.
He didn’t say he’d kill PBS; he said he’d stop federal subsidies because you know what – we CAN’T AFFORD to borrow $ from China or print $ to pay for it.
No, but his joke about it came across like he’d kill it.
…and today, as I suspected, there is a massive ‘Save Big Bird’ meme afoot.
Ok – Obama looks pissed at Lehrer. He keeps looking at him like “please save me; wasn’t that your job here.” And, the whole – “I had 5 secs before you interrupted me Jim” was pure Obama – pissy, arrogant, the media is mine and should give me what I want.
O looks PISSED!!!!!! And, he won’t look at Romney; keeps looking at Lehrer.
I think Romney knows he’s killing it.
I will say – O’s initial answer on the role of government was actually good – only good point of the night.
I’m so not objective on this, I realize, but I think Romney kicked his ass. O spent the whole time complaining about things that the current government does and he’s been POTUS for 4 years for god’s sake.
…the adult in the room showed up…Romney won it…O was glaring…and he even had about four more minutes speaking time…Mitt did good…
I heard the store manager and the stockroom kid.
CNN is raving about Romney and totally bashing Obama.
Just now on CNN “Bill Clinton was the best moment of the Obama campaign.”
Maybe there are other areas in barry’s life where a Bull should be called in.
Hahahahahaha Tamer! Fell off my chair laughing.
Mitt Romney began exposing The Great Imposter…the fraud…this is a good thing…
Obama’s closing statement was pathetic. Almost sad. He came close to begging.
“… and I’ll work just as hard as I have in my first four years.” Mmm, yeah, not sure that line’s a winner.
That working hard for the middle class line. Pathetic. You work hard for your constituents. Obama is president, he should be doing X,Y,Z policy for the middle class. $4,300 income tax increase to enable the middle class to *buy* cars & put their kids through college was classic. Who can buy a car with $4,300 unless its an old jalopy?
What was up with the podiums? Those things were pretty fug.
I was listening on NPR on my train ride home so I don’t know how it played visually and there were gaps. Obama came across as either professorial or bitchy and I don’t know if Mitt was hitting him when he was bitching about how bad Washington is… That seemed like a gimme.
Romney came off as poised but a little shaky on some answers.
Romney’s close was succinct in going through the litany of Obamas failures imo but he could’ve hit harder there I think.
it is worth it just to see MSNBC going ballistic…omg…can’t wait to see Paul Ryan take it to Biden…
…O speaks for four extra minutes and says nothing…
Okay apparently Andrew Sullivan just said the debate was a “catastrophe”. hahahahahahha
I think I can die now.
Scream, Milky-Loads, Scream!
Sullivan could always switch to Romney as his wanking visual.
Must read – Sullivan live-blogging of debate:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/live-blogging-the-first-presidential-debate-2012.html
Deeelicious!
This is NES (temporary loss of gravatar)
I think most of cable is declaring it “obviously” for Mitt…
John, I think the reason Romney sounded a little frantic is because he kept getting cut off by Leher and he was “frantic” to get his points in…Romney even had to fight to be able to respond to O’s long winded whatever it was…(boring, for one!)
the Morning Joe crowd is probably getting drunk and will have hangovers in the morning…
I agree, Mitt needed to finally be heard and if he wasn’t as quick and clear, he was at risk for being pushed out. A realistic and appropriate response. I think he handled it with finesse.
Oblahblah became slightly more intelligible toward the end because he knew it would be over soon- a reflection of his “work” ethic.
Agree too. Mitt probably came in realizing that he would need to push in because he couldn’t be assured that he would get fair time against a fillibuster. I thought it came across as – he’s not going to be shoved aside and frankly Obama was the one who kept acting like he was backing down and cowed. Not a good image.
Great Dennis Miller tweet: Imagine having Joe Biden as your firewall.
Poor Biden.
Fascinating, but some “off the street, average voters” are making the point that Obama was weak and off his game and defensive because he’s been so protected from having to have to defend his policies directly and under tough questioning and have to have facts at his disposal. Can you imagine if Obama had to face “question time?” like Blair and Cameron. He might actually have come up with some good policies.
The consensus coming from the immediate sampling of my pro-Obama family and friends is that Obama came across as “wimpy”.
i loved how ob was saying how mitt was going to do this and that, but it was obviously a distraction so they wouldn’t talk about ob’s record, so mitt fought back and said,” i never said that, here is what i will do. stop saying i am going to do this, when i never said i would do this, and this is what i will do.” this is what mitt was having to do over and over again because ob was trying to spread propoganda and lies about things that never were said and never happened from the mitt campaign. it is like bidens crazy antics recently saying he was going to tax the middle class. ob really thinks that if he says it, it is true and if he says it more often, it is even truer…… hahahahaha!!!
I listened on radio. The commentator afterward said barry *looked* bad, came across poorly visually — staring down, refusing to look at MR., who in contrast projected a confident bearing. Reactions from those of you who watched?
Many have had similar descriptions. When obama did look up, he frequently addressed the audience instead of Romney, which seemed odd, offputting, and rude. Romney addressed obama fairly often. Romney had an excited, upbeat demeanor- smiled and joked frequently. Obama did not appear comfortable or calm until close to the end when he saw the exit approaching. You probably didn’t miss much, however, as the stuttering discomfort on obama’s part was audible.
I heard so many “uhhs,” stutters and dead air from obama, I half expected him to say “wha … the debate’s TONIGHT?”
tamerlane…the commentator you were listening to nailed it…O was smirking…he kept looking for Leher to save him…he was trying to change the subject…and he had the very angry glare in his eyes when he would occasionally glance over at MR…(remember that glare O had for Bibi during their WH photo opp) mostly he just kept his head down…
it was like MR was schooling O in the basics…imho,..it made it very obvious why O goes everywhere with his two teleprompters…he is not quick on his feet and was no match for MR who was very prepared, confident, and knew what the hell he was talking about…unlike O who just went off on tangents….
Theory:
Obama getting trounced may cause his supporters to start the ‘screeching cult’ thing again, which is how he got elected in the first place. This ‘may’ have been intentional.
No.
Jay, I don’t think it was intentional either…O embarrassed himself…even his loudest cheerleaders are embarrassed by his performance…it was that bad…
If that’s the strategy, it’s a pretty dangerous one, but maybe it’s the only one they have. That said, I don’t think that’s the strategy.
In this theory (now me hands is smeary) having Matthews & Sullivan blow their tops would get the cultists on a ‘We need more yard signs! We need more ‘Yes We Can’ bender. That would be the point.
And there is a Sondheim reference above.
Hmmm. From a ‘friend of a friend’ on Facebook, a majorly blind Obama supporter:
“First of all, tonight kicked the shit out of our growing complacency. And the timing on this is perfect.”
I agree that O was embarrassed. If not Obama, then Michelle was. Because they left the stage pretty quickly and Michelle was fluttering her fingers as she went. Not a good anniversay for the Obama’s
What is that blackjack dealer leaving the table wave she does? It’s spastic.
No sugar t0night for teh O.
Have I mentioned this lately?
Andrew Sullivan is an awful, inane, moron.
One can’t say it enough.
Meesh is going to beat the crap out of him tonight..Either that or her scowl will peel the paint off AF I
O started out with talking points and his stump speech, Romney did not let him get away with that.
It was worth watching just for that.
Every family has one of those little girls or boys who have gone through Life, seldom hearing the word “NO’..Now, in Obama, we know what one looks like and how they act when they grow up
Petulance is so unattractive in adults…
And yes, Andrew Sullivan is Still a moron ,
So, I just watched the replay on CNN (I’m on a business trip and couldn’t see it live). Van Jones was on CNN as a commentator and called Romney’s debate performance “Presidential”.
When you’ve lost Van Jones, you’re in real trouble.
Priceless! Thanks for sharing that.
Had to work, so I await morning after spin control. My FB pals parrot their party lines respectively. But O-Bots appear rattled. Looks like both sides of the viewing public heavily imbibed:
cf.: http://conservativeintel.com/2012/10/01/2012-presidential-debate-drinking-game/
Depressing as hell that one of those two will be our President the next four years.
A comment from the New York Times on the debate:
“Without a doubt it was a bad night for my man Barack. The thing to remember about debates is it’s not the content – not the spoken words – that counts. Rather, it’s the emotional, visceral impression each candidate forms with the audience. In that regard, the evening went to Romney.
My gut feeling about Obama is the man is tired. He’s probably worn down by the whole frigging mess. By the hateful rhetoric and He probably lays awake at night wondering how he will endure four more years of this hell if he’s re-elected.
Those of us who favor Obama need to send him our love right now, because the future of our country hangs in the balance.
Mr. Romney’s a snake, a man without scruples.. He’s a used car salesman who will say whatever he has to to complete the sale. Let’s hope Americans are smart enough to see that and give our president the benefit of the doubt.”
Send him some love. That should do the trick.
Yes. Love is what he needs. He’s clearly never been adored.
I’m sure Reggie Love was there to console him after Mechelle tore him to shreds for failing her.
I think Mechelle went home with Mitt last night, 20th anniversary or not.
Rofl Jay.
Wonder how Howard Dean feels now about his advice to viewers: to turn off the sound and watch for ‘nonverbal cues’.
Wonder how Hillary feels? You know she was savouring every minute.
and you know Hillary and Bill were high-fiving each other throughout the entire debate.
In all honesty, it was like watching a bulldozer run over a Prius.
http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Bumper-Sticker-Camp-Lejeune-Prius-Repellent.jpg
I want to marry this comment.
ROFLLL Upps. That just about captures it.
I hoep you tweeted that. ROFL.
I was thinking a Chevy Volt….
O is much more than ‘in over his head’, he simply does not understand his job, the issues, or gov’t.. When it’s not about Race or social issues, the man is lost, and he doesn’t care..
Four years of on the job training, and he has learned nothing.. Would anyone here keep an employee like that ??
O showed that he has no grasp for numbers either. Sometimes his addition made no sense, and then he’d get flustered because he knew he wasn’t getting them right. When Romney explained the difference btw individual income and a small businesses income, and how a mere 5% increase in taxes on a business adds to the other taxes/fees a business must pay for at the state and local levels … I really thought Obama’s head was going to explode.
I mean *implode*. Obama just shut down and looked like he was off somewhere in dreamland desperately trying to escape the reality of the Romney smack down.
As usual Obama is nothing but empty words strung together in random order. That came across very clearly last night. What people need to realize is that Obama is a slave to his ideology, not a servant to the people or the issues he talks about. So when he says something pretty like “feed the poor,” he actually delivers calorie restricted diets for our school’s free lunch programs.
If people want to see more poverty, more hunger, more war, then Obama is your guy because intentional or not, that is what he is going to have to create.
Re:: Obama”s pretty words;;; His base of mostly low information voters really Believe that the President can simply govern by decree… Not that O hasn’t tried that, he’s mostly a low information President. So when he says he wants to ‘feed the poor’, both he and his base believe that saying makes it so.
“If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.”"
Barack Obama is a sociopath. A sociopath can drum up passion for only one thing: a new conquest, new victory for himself. That’s why Obama sounds like a challenger, not an incumbent; Barack Obama has no context for understanding being an incumbent, the whole notion is alien to him. But the truth is he isn’t a challenger, and although sociopaths lie as a matter of course, the truth is still the truth. As I’ve said from the start, Obama’s biggest problem in ’12 is he’s already conquered this challenge, he’s already won the White House, he’s already been the first black President, he doesn’t have any motivation to do it again.
It’s funny some people thought that 2007 video released this week might harm Obama. If it could harm him it’s only in showing what he could be but is not.
The sad part, for America, is that the Obama/Romney false choice provides yet another opportunity that Americans will squander. The truth is both Obama and Romney are choices that will further harm us, and we have other choices. We have yet another opportunity to get off this run down out of control merry go round, but Americans can’t pass up the chance to be part of the crowd. Every single one of those Americans is to blame for what’s coming next.
Zal, I think you’re right on the money.. I watched as much of the debate as I could, I really can’t watch Obama for very long..even when he is failing,as he was failing last night… The thing I kept taking away from it was that Obama keeps trying to spin the conversation towards “Whats wrong with Washington and how Obama can fix it” and trying to deflect the reality that Obama “IS” Washington as PotUS…his professorial tone on how bad things are and what he’d do differently.. I think all he can really do is run from his record, but it’s his record… if nothing else I think last night proved that if that’s the strategy it isn’t going to work.
In terms of his sociopathic behavior, the original Obama “prize” was to be elected President, andthat will no longer be a motivating factor for him, so the new “prize” is that he’s got to “beat” Romney.. that’s the carrot on the stick this time to feed his neuroses… and I think that showed in his body language towards Romney last night. It’s been reported that Obama doesn’t like Romney, and it shows.
What we’ve all said here is that Obama has never had to defend his accomplishments, or lack thereof.. for most of his career he failed upward, he moved on to the next “thing” as soon as his narcissism was satisfied and there is, and always has been, a clear progression between advancement but realtive lack of accomplishment, just as there has always been plenty of actual instances where Obama has talked out of both sides of his mouth using any phony accent/dialect available.
So the big MSM shock now is the narrative that Obama “lost” the debate. Which will dovetail nicely into the false narrative of “Can Obama come back in the second debate?”
Chris Matthews, et.al., shouldn’t be surprised… the information was always there, people just chose not to see it.
I can’t say I feel differntly about Romney, I think he did well, I think he showed poise in the way he answered and controlled the conversation.. he stumbled on some answers but for the most part he walked all over Obama… I don’t think he’s a better candidate in terms of his platform, but like him or not he’s a more authentic and self actualized human being than Obama is.
I think that he’s willing to expose the fact that Obama is out of his depth, and he might very well win. In all honesty, I want Obama to lose, it needs to happen.. Romney can make that happen.
But I don’t have any illusions that a Romney win is going to signify the return to the glory days.. ultimately one only has to look at the platforms of Reagan, Bush and Bush II to see the writing on the wall of what a Romney presidency can signify in terms of domestic and foreign policy, there are varying details but the basic framework is the same. The guards will change, but the palace will stay the same.
Dan: I want Obama to lose, I just don’t want Romney to win. Or, better said: I wouldn’t mind Romney being President if Americans had the smarts and the gumption to challenge him, and do so consistently, focused, and hard. But they won’t. Judging by his history I’d say Romney would probably bend to the will of the people but the people won’t make him.
I couldn’t watch the debate to the end, either. Like you, I can’t stand watching and listening to Obama. I take what I can, mostly at this point to learn more about narcissism and psychopathy, which fascinates me, then turn it off in disgust.
It’s interesting to me, though, that so many people are saying Romney won this so decisively, and in my opinion Romney’s victory is nowhere near as stunning as Hillary’s were when she debated Obama and got scant praise in comparison. For a student of human nature, this whole thing is the gift that keeps on giving!
Let’s not forget that once HRC took him to task. At that point in time, the msm became his insulator. Always getting puffball questions, and always doing the minimal. Wasn’t he at Hoover Dam during his prep?
Yes, he did a minimal prep, taking an out to Hoover and god knows what else.
He’s grown accustomed to phoning it in.
I swear I read somewhere he also delivered pizza to some campaign headquarters out there.
Mc..He was staying at a five star resort with a nifty golf course, and yes, he visited Hoover Dam.
All that was lacking was Mickey Mouse.
Speaking of Nevada, Vegas odds are down post-debate, albeit only to 71% for Obama from 80%! LA Times claims today the Latino vote there (recall Reid vs. Angle) will tip Nevada and may NM and Colorado to O. Gallup (Tamerlane??) has Latino support up from 60% to 66% the past month for O and says 71% and not 66% of that demographic will vote for Dems. These tilts, as O is “said” to have a small but steady lead in all eight or so contested states, appear to keep his lead despite R’s efforts. I also note that Ohio, some claim, may sneak in for O as disaffected Reps pull the lever for Johnson in spite.
My favorite Romney take-away line:
So much easier on the ears than “Dude – you’re such a lying sack of shit!”
Both work for me.
Clever and relatable. A perfect zinger.
That line was a highlight for me as well.
It was a high-point for me as well. It did, however, strike me as being condescending to Obama — it’s like he was dismissing him as an inexperienced “junior” and putting him on a par with his sons. I’m surprised that that aspect isn’t getting any play in the media (at least that I’ve seen).
Honestly, NES, that’s part of what I liked about it.
Fair enough, Jay. Me too.
This tweet captures it: https://twitter.com/rightzone/status/253965481281720320
Actually, the right has been screaming this about Obama since he came on the scene. I think it was a clever way, using his boys to deflect and soften it, to say:
A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Lenin
Russian Communist politician & revolutionary (1870 – 1924)
If only Obama knew American history better he’d have known that one never writes off a Mormon. These people traveled across a continent in covered wagons and pretty much dug their way through mountains to reach Utah and it’s environs.
Also, in a more generic sense, one never underestimates one’s adversary — every competent lawyer knows that.
Valerie should have reminded him of his responsibility to study. Surely he knew that TOTUS would not be available last night.
They have become quite accustomed to controlling the msm spin. You are absolutely spot on NES. He was unprepared and he really did underestimate his adversary.
There are many in this country who have ancestors who traveled in wagons over mountains to get to a new home. One of mine was scalped back in the 1770s. He was a signer of the Wautaga compact. His descendants followed Daniel and Nathan Boone to Greene County, Missouri. There have been more than a few books written over the years about the fierce spirit of independence of the Scot-Irish people who came to this new land of America. If I am any indicator, it is absolutely a dominant genetic trait.
My last comment was supposed to include that Mitt Romney’s maternal great-great grandfather was Archibald Newell Hill, a resident of Renfrew, Scotland. Instead it just sounded like I was bragging about my Scot ancestry for no reason.
Not only did he underestimate his opponent, BHO overestimated the amount of protection he’d be given by Mr Lehrer. My nightmare of the night before, was that Romney was going to be asked about something he (Romney) said in 2006 or about the death of Joe Soptic’s wife, and Obama would be asked how he likes his waffles and what did he have for breakfast that day.
I thought the worst damage Obama did to himself was all that nodding when Romney was talking.
And all that looking down.
Yep. I guess he was writing notes but the expression on his face as he was looking down looked defeated and ashamed.
“That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.” -Mark Hemingway
That was a very funny tweet — saw it in the Twitterverse this AM and had to guffaw.
I just checked the poll at the top of this thread. I’m fascinated to see that appx. 2.5% think Obama won yesterday night’s debate. Would one or more of the persons who picked that option be willing to comment on their reasoning? I, for one, would be very interested in those comments.
Since more than 2.5% of the people here would disagree with any popularly held opinion, I’m a little surprised that it’s not higher!
I didn’t answer the poll and I don’t think Obama won the debate, but those who think he did would be unlikely to post their opinion here. Regulars here who clique together and enjoy nothing more than a pile on are unfriendly to unconventional opinion, to say the least, and a lot of people would rather not be called names and personally attacked. As these blogs go, John is uncommonly tolerant of unconventional opinion but the same cannot be said of the cliquiest of his commenters.
NES, re: those watching with the sound off, so to “speak,” Does O’s supposed admission in this clip “You won this one” at the end to R “verify” JWS’s poll? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YpkV3eKJqY&feature=share
Interesting Fio. I think Bam had to know he lost this one, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said that. Certainly, R seemed thrilled to hear it. I’m pretty JWS’s poll results are right-on; I was curious to know why as many as 2.5% thought O won.
This is some interesting commentary. Thoughts??
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/its-over.php#
LOLZ: http://youtu.be/mtkw8stAlrM
Ohhhhhhhhhh! It was the altitude!
Though since Obama was coming up from the gutter, I suppose it could be disorienting.
Kewwwwl. Loved it.
Yikes! Wrong nest. The “kewwwwwl” comment as meant to nest under the Taiwanese video.
The chances of there being many Obama fans here? Not high. Though as I often say – all are welcome. That said even Obama nutters understand that he got clocked.
The debate recap from Taiwanese animators: http://youtu.be/iNhUI8ktHuw
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw&w=560&h=315%5D
This was muuuuuch funnier than I was expecting.
Bush II couldn’t debate either. I think Bush III will be ok.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/johnwsmart/2012/10/05/the-john-smart-show